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Just looking for some feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46014.msg1032264#msg1032264
« on: January 15, 2013, 07:09:21 am »
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I'm using this deck against arena. Sometimes it works very well, sometimes it just keeps losing. I don't know if it's because of the meta/the decks I encounter or because the deck is unreliable.

It's supposed to have a lot of defense and CC while slowly accumulating damage with spectre and lots of low damage hits. 2 Otyughs, Maxwell and EE are main defense and can deal with most creatures. Mind Flayer is against Momentum, Vampire and Chrysaora spam, and also Maxwell and Squids can be neutralized.
The sanctuary was an Archangel but I often had to face Devourers.
Steal and Explosions give a total of 3 PC which should be enough to deal with most dangerous shields or weapons.
PA is to safe your perms. Sometimes against EQ you want to save your QT, or you absolutely need your EE because your Otyugh isn't on the field yet. Same argument with Dusk Shield or EH.

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Re: Just looking for some feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46014.msg1032265#msg1032265
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2013, 07:17:20 am »
How about a quint instead of a TU? Since an Otyugh is less useful no matter what CC targets it.
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Re: Just looking for some feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46014.msg1032269#msg1032269
« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2013, 07:21:32 am »
The problem with that is that generally you need 2 SNs for your deck to work, while the damage is low. If you can reduce the cost while increasing the damage output, you'll be fine.
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Re: Just looking for some feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46014.msg1032274#msg1032274
« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2013, 07:42:53 am »
What do you play this against? bronze? silver? gold?

If bronze: Just rush. Forget about the controls and fill the deck with graboids/spectres.

If silver: You need a reliable counter to monoaether. SoFo/pulvy are good examples. Also include heals, they are very valuable in silver rush matches to buy you a turn or 2. Also need more speed to make silver games worthwhile. (logic: if this has same speed as pdails in plat, why don't i use pdails for plat instead?)

If gold: Well control bows are reliable in gold, but there are a lot more deck that could rip you apart before you set up... Also need a stallbreaker/tiebreaker, whatever you call it.

If plat: No.

I understand the :gravity of the issue. Oty/SoFo/pulvy all competes for :gravity. That's a hard decision, but well... you need some perm destroyers, not just 3 single use PC cards.
You got a lot of space to improve the rush issue though. But, one of the best rush creatures, elite charger, is :gravity again...
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Re: Just looking for some feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46014.msg1032297#msg1032297
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2013, 11:09:01 am »
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Really minor modification. Quint is kinda needed, for maxwell and for oty. I'd add two quints but; You're really lacking on the Damage department, so keeping that TU up and running is probably the best bet.

I also took out the Dusk for another Steal, just for extra PC.

TBH, all you need is more damage, and that is kinda hard to get right now. You could raise the deck to 35 cards and fix in another hourglass + damaging creatures, but I'm not sure how that would work

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Re: Just looking for some feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46014.msg1032305#msg1032305
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2013, 01:17:20 pm »
TBH, all you need is more damage, and that is kinda hard to get right now. You could raise the deck to 35 cards and fix in another hourglass + damaging creatures, but I'm not sure how that would work

That's not very hard to achieve with an elite queen :D It grows 4 damage every turn, and spread out the risk of getting CCed, although the risk of getting mass-CCed still exist.
Queen is especially good in stall-ish decks as it is a good stallbreaker.
Also Steam Machine might work (if quinted).
Or even boneyard + eternity combo, or with SoP/ecplise.

You might not need to rush like a speedbow, but you certainly need a damage department.
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Re: Just looking for some feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46014.msg1032360#msg1032360
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2013, 05:07:22 pm »
Which league do you use this on? Silver, Gold, Plat?

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Re: Just looking for some feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46014.msg1032365#msg1032365
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2013, 05:22:31 pm »
Gonna answer to your suggestions in more detail later. I hoped it'd work in gold and plat
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Re: Just looking for some feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46014.msg1032416#msg1032416
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2013, 07:56:42 pm »
Spoiler for Answer to MystiK_:
How about a quint instead of a TU? Since an Otyugh is less useful no matter what CC targets it.

I often thought about it. I will try it, I took TU because - as Dm said - it often provides a nice damage boost (Spectre, Shrieker) or more CC by copying an Oty, Flyer or Maxwell in case I have to expect CC.

Spoiler for Answer to Mathematistic:
If gold: Well control bows are reliable in gold, but there are a lot more deck that could rip you apart before you set up... Also need a stallbreaker/tiebreaker, whatever you call it.

I understand the :gravity of the issue. Oty/SoFo/pulvy all competes for :gravity. That's a hard decision, but well... you need some perm destroyers, not just 3 single use PC cards.
You got a lot of space to improve the rush issue though. But, one of the best rush creatures, elite charger, is :gravity again...

That's a nice analysis as it fits pretty well what I experienced when facing those arenas.
The deck was mainly intended for gold arena. I know that there are faster decks that's why I made it really CC heavy. A poison rush can still be countered with luck by drawing purify. As for the stall breaker... I don't encounter stall decks very often but when I do I hope to have an early Spectre an TU it. But I know the deck lacks damage, so I might try a Steam Machine.

Actually, 3 PC from what I experienced so far is just right. I don't really want to use SoFo or Pulverizer because I really want to use Otyugh, they're simply great CC. Therefore I might try to make it 4 PC cards (probably 2 explosions & 2 steals).

Spoiler for Answer to DM1321:
Really minor modification. Quint is kinda needed, for maxwell and for oty. I'd add two quints but; You're really lacking on the Damage department, so keeping that TU up and running is probably the best bet.

I also took out the Dusk for another Steal, just for extra PC.

TBH, all you need is more damage, and that is kinda hard to get right now. You could raise the deck to 35 cards and fix in another hourglass + damaging creatures, but I'm not sure how that would work

Thanks for the deck and the feedback. As I've written above I'll make a deck with quint as it really seems a need and a good choice. I'll also fix the lack of damage. Not sure if by replacing a Golem with a grower (Steam Machine) or by making the deck bigger (trying to avoid this).

As for now, the following will be the deck I test for a while:

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4 PC, 4 cards to kill, 1 to neutralize. 2 Grower for damage, two heal sources. 2 Bonewalls to prevent damage. 1 creature protection, 1 permanent protection. I put in plate armor for otyugh, just to see how some underused cards can be used in rainbows. Though I imagine both PA and Plate Armor could be replaced with something better, so I'll just test it for a while.

If there's still any feedback, it's still appreciated :) Thanks for the help to all of you!
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Re: Just looking for some feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46014.msg1032496#msg1032496
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2013, 11:47:34 pm »
Why do you have 4 PC cards?
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Re: Just looking for some feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46014.msg1032515#msg1032515
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2013, 12:58:17 am »
add random shards!  ;D

no, not quite.

if you're not going for originality a SoF would do fine
a SoSer would make things a bit more arbitrary
SoB? meh forget it. you rely a lot on the forest spectre, right?
SoD COULD lengthen your life, but I wouldn't add it if I were you.
SoR might work somehow (could combo with quint I guess.)
a SoW could help A LOT. +4 atk is a nice addition for nearly any creature.

 

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