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Endless Brimstone [Fire][Aether][Work In Progress] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48945.msg1065835#msg1065835
« on: May 02, 2013, 05:09:05 pm »
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Step 1: Take Xenocidius' "Pestal 101"
Step 2: Replace pests with ash eaters, vamps with firebolts, eclipse with Fahrenheit
Step 3: Do pro Tower Pend split on aether quanta for the hell of it
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So the idea here is to amass a lot of :fire quanta through fire pend spam + fractal ash eaters. Obviously you could accomplish a similar result through just making a mono fire, but I do ever so love the ability to add moar cards to your deck through fractal, and I do ever so love quanta generating creatures. Throw in the massive tick damage from a field full of brimstone eaters, and you've got a concept at least worth exploring.

The deck works fine enough against AI3 I suppose, I can typically get enough ash eaters out quick enough outrush the opponent before they get any AoE CC or a shield out, and by then firebolts and fahrenheit's can finish the job. Fastest game so far's only been 6 turns, longest was 9, obviously more testing is needed.

So why is this in Deck help and not duo-decks? Well, I feel like it could be better. Like I said, all I've done here is copy Xeno's Pestal and changed the elements around. I'm no expert in efficiency nor balance, hell I'm a terrible deck builder all things considered. But I like this idea and want to work with it. So gimme a hand, and let's build this masterpiece together.

Possible tweaks I've thought of: Moar firebolts, add deflags, add minor phoenices, add sobra?
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Re: Endless Brimstone [Fire][Aether][Work In Progress] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48945.msg1065838#msg1065838
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 05:27:24 pm »
Little difference: No stall nor denial. You might get outrushed pretty easy.
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Re: Endless Brimstone [Fire][Aether][Work In Progress] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48945.msg1065912#msg1065912
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 09:39:37 pm »
Things I have to add to this:

(1) I'd say getting up to six fire lances is a pretty high priority.

(2) Quanta could be mostly redone. You don't need as much early on as you do in pestal, and you'll have a lot more later on than you do in pestal (since 23 pests produce only as much quanta as your opponent produces each turn, while 23 ash eaters produce 23). You'll be able to completely fill your fire quanta pool in a bit over 3 turns with a full field. Switching to fire mark and aether towers (and powering all your fire stuff purely off ash eaters and mark) is actually not a terrible option, but it's potentially a slow start, so a small number of fire pends and an aether mark might be better. As you remove fire pends, remember to add in aether towers/pends so you can still fractal regularly.

(3) As Chapuz pointed out, some kind of defense is probably in order, cause you don't have a lockdown to look forward to, nor do you have, well, any defense/healing at all. Maybe a fire shield? Maybe some rage pots for CC? Maybe even redo things a bit and get some dim shields?

(4) Since you've got fire anyways, you might want to add an explode or two. Any CC shields will completely shut this deck down right now, and any DR shield will severely hamper your damage output.

All that being said, this is a really interesting deck and not an idea I've seen before.

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Re: Endless Brimstone [Fire][Aether][Work In Progress] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48945.msg1065913#msg1065913
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 09:44:17 pm »
Its a shame not having Ruby Dragons with so much :fire quanta to spend. ;)
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Re: Endless Brimstone [Fire][Aether][Work In Progress] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48945.msg1067050#msg1067050
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2013, 02:31:40 am »
shields could slightly ruin you though... you might need a bit of s bravery
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Re: Endless Brimstone [Fire][Aether][Work In Progress] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48945.msg1067321#msg1067321
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2013, 06:42:36 pm »
(1) I'd say getting up to six fire lances is a pretty high priority.

But you want to keep the fire lances in your hand until you built up some quanta.
So 6 fire lances doesn't work really well with fractal.
Except of that, I agree with the rest of your arguments.

And I have to admit, that I'm not able to built a version with that concept, which is as powerful as pestal.

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Re: Endless Brimstone [Fire][Aether][Work In Progress] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48945.msg1067340#msg1067340
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2013, 08:03:45 pm »
(1) I'd say getting up to six fire lances is a pretty high priority.

But you want to keep the fire lances in your hand until you built up some quanta.
So 6 fire lances doesn't work really well with fractal.
Except of that, I agree with the rest of your arguments.

And I have to admit, that I'm not able to built a version with that concept, which is as powerful as pestal.

With six fractals and six ash eaters already in the deck, you need to average just under three ash eaters per fractal to have a full field (and you don't even really need a full field when it comes down to it), so hopefully the hand clogging wouldn't be too big an issue barring really unlucky draws. However, you are definitely right that holding lances would interfere with the fractals. I'd still probably do it personally, though, because it gives you an ability to do damage that isn't completely mitigated by basically every shield ever. You could always burn a couple of lances early if you topdeck them all.

 

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