I'm definitely missing something...

[Shrewd]

Greetings-

So, I used to play when this game first came out.  I saw the birth of the Scaredgirl Rainbow deck and stood in awe.  I didn't stick with it, but someone was talking about it a while back so I thought I'd come back in and take a look.  Basically, I'm a newb all over again.  I thought I would earn some elec with some of the new decks to see what they were like while I built something for myself.  I was using the Grabbix one for farming T50 and thought I would switch over to RoL/Hope for some higher level farming.  This is where the wheels have apparently come off.  Here's what I'm working with so far:

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I'm getting beat up.  A lot.  And not just by FGs or T50.  Everywhere.  It's like being back in elementary school again, man.

Obviously I'm still in the process of upgrading and such, but any thoughts or insights on what I should do now would be appreciated.

[Wizardcat]

You should use either Dragons or Angels, not both. Replacing one of the pairs with a third Lobotomizer and either another SoG or a pillar/pend would be my recommendation. That third Lobo is crucial against some gods like Osiris or Fire Queen.

[Pineapple]

Mhmm, I expect that your hand would be too clogged to get out more than 3-4 RoLs by the time you get your first fractal...

[Shrewd]

Something like that, yeah.  I tend to run into a few problems repeatedly:

1)  More devourers than I can handle with the lobo.
2)  Anyone that has Eternity in their deck so I just keep pulling the same RoL over and over and over again.
3)  Mass deaths of the RoLs.

The strategy with this deck seems to be to get keep at least one RoL in reserve for when I can play my first fractal (just in case they get wiped out).  After that it's keep enough RoL on the board with hope to mitigate any incoming damage and then start laying on the dragons as fast as I can.  The problem comes when my RoLs start getting eaten faster than I can clear out the devourers with my lobo (hate them scarabs) or when all my RoLs get taken out at once (plauge, rain of fire, pandemonium, etc.)

Perhaps I should be looking at a different deck for higher level farming?  Back to the trusty rainbow deck maybe?

[Pineapple]

well, rol/hope is for FG farming, where you know all the cards in the opponents' deck and which cards are left. There are a few guides on the best way to play rol/hope for each god lying around somewhere on this forum...

[UTAlan]

Check out the RoL/Hope strategy (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6546.0.html) and see if that improves your win %.

[Shrewd]

Check out the RoL/Hope strategy (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6546.0.html) and see if that improves your win %.

Tnx.  That's awesome. 

[TheForbiddenOracle]

Something like that, yeah.  I tend to run into a few problems repeatedly:

1)  More devourers than I can handle with the lobo.
2)  Anyone that has Eternity in their deck so I just keep pulling the same RoL over and over and over again.
3)  Mass deaths of the RoLs.

The strategy with this deck seems to be to get keep at least one RoL in reserve for when I can play my first fractal (just in case they get wiped out).  After that it's keep enough RoL on the board with hope to mitigate any incoming damage and then start laying on the dragons as fast as I can.  The problem comes when my RoLs start getting eaten faster than I can clear out the devourers with my lobo (hate them scarabs) or when all my RoLs get taken out at once (plauge, rain of fire, pandemonium, etc.)

Perhaps I should be looking at a different deck for higher level farming?  Back to the trusty rainbow deck maybe?

This deck isn't meant for T50 farming... that aside:

1) Devourers can't get lobo'd, you just stop them from having the chance to be burrowed.
2) That also means you can't deckout and have plenty of opportunities to empty your hand if it has any fractals
3) Only thing that can hurt you in FG farming (that targets ALL of them) are RoF, Plague, Retrovirus, UG, and Fire Buckler, and a lot of the FG that have those are already on the skip list

[TheCrazyMango]

by devourers i think he meant creatures with the skill devour

[Shrewd]

This deck isn't meant for T50 farming...

Yeah, I think that was my first mistake.  I was used to playing a rainbow deck before which pretty much worked for anything.  This is much more specialized.  Using the strategy listed above, I've been picking my battles more carefully.  More more enjoyable. 

by devourers i think he meant creatures with the skill devour

Indeed. I'll get the lingo down eventually. 

[pikachufan2164]

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RoL/Hope is still a good choice for FG farming; in fact, it's one of the top decks in the FG Efficiency Study (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,25609.0.html) in terms of electrum earned per hour. It's even more profitable if you choose to skip matches against the nearly impossible or very difficult match-ups (such as Hermes, Octane, Graviton, Ferox, etc.) and only fight the FGs that are easy or medium in difficulty for the deck, since you won't be wasting your time fighting losing battles.

Although the recent AI updates involving logic when Hope is out (as you've observed, the AI will give anything Light-emitting a higher priority when it comes to getting rid of them with creature control) has made things slightly more difficult, there is still much hope for the deck -- pardon the pun -- because of its efficiency against a subset of the 29 existing False Gods. Being able to consistently defeat Divine Glory and other FGs with a generous card drop rate allows RoL/Hope to still make a decent profit.

RoL/Hope has been known to perform decently on occasion in Gold and Platinum Arenas, provided that the decks in there don't seem to be favouring its obvious weaknesses (Quinted Otyugh, Fire Shield, Plague, Thorn Shield, Feral Bond, etc.).

As for the deck, there are still some changes that can be made for it to reach its full potential.

As Wizardcat stated before, you'll need to decide whether you want to be Fractalling Archangels or Light Dragons for your win condition. Each creature has its own pros and cons. Archangels come out faster so that you can outrush some FGs more easily, but their damage potential is lower; thus making FGs with Feral Bonds and damage-reduction shields like Permafrost Shield, Diamond Shield, and Dissipation Shield more difficult to win against. Light Dragons are slower to deploy, but do more damage so that you can power through damage-reduction shields and bypass Feral Bonds a bit better.

Regardless of whichever creatures you decide to remove from the deck, you'll want a third Electrocutor, as it greatly helps in the match-ups against Osiris, Fire Queen, and Incarnate. The other remaining card should probably be another Shard of Gratitude, as the extra healing will keep you alive for a little bit longer.

Some sample deck builds:

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[majofa]

Pikachufan2164 has provided 2 of the most popular RoL/Hope variants. The question to you is: 'Which one is better for me?'
If you don't have both sets of cards upgraded, then using the trainer can help in testing the variants to see which one suits you the best.


The first up is Higurashi's version. This deck has good survivability compared to the other one. The healing can save you against FGs like Morte and Scorpio. Its damage can also come quicker which helps versus some of tougher FGs. However, with in some games, like against Chaos Lord and Ferox, you need a large amount of damage to overcome the Shield or Healing. In those cases, Dragons would be the better bet.

A plus with Angels is that they can heal themselves and for a time can draw attention away from your RoLs, especially in the case of Eagle Eyes. One thing I did notice when using Angels is that they seem to be high priority for Lobotomizing. Against Gemini and Decay this can be a plus.

As for having only 5 Fractals, this can be a blessing and a curse. On one hand, you are less likely to have a clogged hand and also have room for one more important card (in this case a SoG). On the other hand, you have less a chance at drawing one, and in some cases you need all 6 Fractals to win.

So all in all, this is a solid build that in my eyes is equal with any other good RoL/Hope version.

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Next we'll look at some pros and cons at Seravy's build.

The Dragons do 5 more damage than Angels, though they also cost 7 more. Is that trade off worth it? That's for you to decide. Several FGs use Miracles, and in those cases Dragons can help with the final blow more than Angels. As was stated earlier, FGs with healing can be easier having more damage per creature slot. Damage versus a Diamond Shield is still 9 compared to 4 from an Angel.

However the major downfall of Dragons is that they're much slower than Angels, and that speed can end up making a difference. And also, you don't get the lobo benefit that you get with Angels. This deck also has zero healing, which means just a little bit of poison or damage over a period of time will kill you.

This is the exact build I've done the majority of my FG grinding with in the past 9+ months. I enjoy the simplicity of how RoL/Hope decks run.

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So, thanks again pika for posting the decks, hopefully my little rundown of each will be of some help. There's a million variations in between these ones. Some even including Crusaders (ask Napalm :p).

Give them all a test and see which one suits you best.