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Air/Life/Time Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55150.msg1147906#msg1147906
« on: July 28, 2014, 02:24:46 pm »
Hi All,

Just started Elements yesterday (see my introduction post http://elementscommunity.org/forum/introduce-yourself/new-to-the-game-just-saying-hi/)

I started out with an Air deck then as i progressed through the quests I gravitation to towards Life and Time see below my currently could probably use a few improvements and duplication of some cards

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Issues I have found are the devourer skill and also my defence not coming out in time or fast enough in some cases, been tempted to reduce the number of card to combat this.

Has anyone got any pointers/tips etc?
« Last Edit: July 28, 2014, 02:26:17 pm by benjamin14 »

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Re: Air/Life/Time Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55150.msg1147914#msg1147914
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2014, 03:06:22 pm »
TL;DR:
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OR

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5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5og 5og 5oh 5oh 5oh 5on 5on 5on 5op 5op 5op 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pr


Note: I'm not the best at making decks. There is most certainly a better deck than this one. However, it's better than yours... That sounded rude. Sorry.
Also, life-time have very few combos.

Why:
The most important part of a deck is the deck's focus, especially in trio, quartet and rainbow decks.
A lack of focus makes the deck less effective, and tends to make it use more than the optimum of 30 cards.
What is deck focus? Deck focus is all your deck doing the same thing, building up towards the same task. In other words, all decks have a singular goal, and every card must help towards that singular goal.

So, let's examine your entire deck:
Let's pick out what the most important card is in the deck.
Spoiler for Card analysis:

These are all of your quanta producers. You know what these do.
First of all, why not just use time pendulums and life pendulums?
That'll give your deck more focus, as you'll be casting more of your air cards.
Second of all, why are you using dragonfly? As a quanta producer, it's only good upgraded, and as a damaging creature, everything in air (Minus queens, but they make more fireflies.) Are better.


I would recommend using a card known as owl's eye instead of both of these, but why hammer over a second short bow?

Why is this here?

Given four rustlers, I'd assume you're playing a firefly queen deck mainly... So where is there only one queen?
These are good for Elemental Masteries. I approve. I would recommend more Empathic Bonds though.

Put more in.

Without upgrades, dragons are better than wyrms.
With upgrades, wyrms are better than dragons.
Replace all the wyrms with dragons.

This makes sense, but I'd prefer more queens.

This is a good idea. I'd recommend putting 2 or 3 in.

Understandable. I'd keep these.

In a 47 card deck with only 2 weapons, why is this in?

Replace the fireflies with fire queens.
Why concern yourself over getting a few fireflies now, when you can have a better chance of spamming more just a few turns later?

Why is this here?

Why is this here?

Why is this ^ here, and not this? ^

Why is this not here?

Your deck lacks focus.
So, I'll assume that the most important card in the deck is Firefly Queen.
Why is this?
You have rustlers, fireflies, but no queen. You're doing a quasi-life.

So, let's start a new deck. Let's start by putting 6 queens in.
So, queens need life, right?
Let's put some life pillars in- Actually. Air pendulums with life mark as all your quanta production is far better than rustlers and pillar split. It just is, trust me. :3
So, how many air pends to we need?
Queens are quite expensive... What else can go with them?
Empathic Bond looks like a good choice. We'll chuck four of those in.
Heal can help you get Elemental Masteries, so we'll chuck two of those in.
...Hope can stop damage, and will grow into a monster very quickly. Let's chuck four of those in.

There's a kinda card rule of thumb you can follow when you need to know how much of a card you need:
If you need tons of them, put 6 in.
If you need 2-3 of them, put 5 in.
If you need 1 of them in your starting hand, put 4 in.
If you need 1 in the entire game, put 3 in.
If you want 1, put 2 in.
If you want to be funny, put 1 in.
This only works for 30 card decks.

So, if 2 heals, 6 queens, 4 bonds and 4 hopes, That's 14 air pendulums to get it up to 30.

The other route, with dragons, follows the same idea.

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Re: Air/Life/Time Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55150.msg1147918#msg1147918
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2014, 03:23:06 pm »
TL;DR:
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5c2 5c2 5c6 5c6 5c6 5c6 5lk 5lk 5lk 5lk 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pn


OR

Hover over cards for details, click for permalink
Deck import code : [Select]
5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5og 5og 5oh 5oh 5oh 5on 5on 5on 5op 5op 5op 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 8pr


Note: I'm not the best at making decks. There is most certainly a better deck than this one. However, it's better than yours... That sounded rude. Sorry.
Also, life-time have very few combos.

Why:
The most important part of a deck is the deck's focus, especially in trio, quartet and rainbow decks.
A lack of focus makes the deck less effective, and tends to make it use more than the optimum of 30 cards.
What is deck focus? Deck focus is all your deck doing the same thing, building up towards the same task. In other words, all decks have a singular goal, and every card must help towards that singular goal.

So, let's examine your entire deck:
Let's pick out what the most important card is in the deck.
Spoiler for Card analysis:

These are all of your quanta producers. You know what these do.
First of all, why not just use time pendulums and life pendulums?
That'll give your deck more focus, as you'll be casting more of your air cards.
Second of all, why are you using dragonfly? As a quanta producer, it's only good upgraded, and as a damaging creature, everything in air (Minus queens, but they make more fireflies.) Are better.


I would recommend using a card known as owl's eye instead of both of these, but why hammer over a second short bow?

Why is this here?

Given four rustlers, I'd assume you're playing a firefly queen deck mainly... So where is there only one queen?
These are good for Elemental Masteries. I approve. I would recommend more Empathic Bonds though.

Put more in.

Without upgrades, dragons are better than wyrms.
With upgrades, wyrms are better than dragons.
Replace all the wyrms with dragons.

This makes sense, but I'd prefer more queens.

This is a good idea. I'd recommend putting 2 or 3 in.

Understandable. I'd keep these.

In a 47 card deck with only 2 weapons, why is this in?

Replace the fireflies with fire queens.
Why concern yourself over getting a few fireflies now, when you can have a better chance of spamming more just a few turns later?

Why is this here?

Why is this here?

Why is this ^ here, and not this? ^

Why is this not here?

Your deck lacks focus.
So, I'll assume that the most important card in the deck is Firefly Queen.
Why is this?
You have rustlers, fireflies, but no queen. You're doing a quasi-life.

So, let's start a new deck. Let's start by putting 6 queens in.
So, queens need life, right?
Let's put some life pillars in- Actually. Air pendulums with life mark as all your quanta production is far better than rustlers and pillar split. It just is, trust me. :3
So, how many air pends to we need?
Queens are quite expensive... What else can go with them?
Empathic Bond looks like a good choice. We'll chuck four of those in.
Heal can help you get Elemental Masteries, so we'll chuck two of those in.
...Hope can stop damage, and will grow into a monster very quickly. Let's chuck four of those in.

There's a kinda card rule of thumb you can follow when you need to know how much of a card you need:
If you need tons of them, put 6 in.
If you need 2-3 of them, put 5 in.
If you need 1 of them in your starting hand, put 4 in.
If you need 1 in the entire game, put 3 in.
If you want 1, put 2 in.
If you want to be funny, put 1 in.
This only works for 30 card decks.

So, if 2 heals, 6 queens, 4 bonds and 4 hopes, That's 14 air pendulums to get it up to 30.

The other route, with dragons, follows the same idea.

Thank you for all that info, its quite a lot to read, some of the things you have suggested about why I haven't got more of certain card is because I just started yesterday and still experimenting and getting used to the game and all the different cards and gaining the coins to get new ones. Thanks for the suggestions of how to improve my deck and i'll refer back to this as and when i can get the cards. In fact i'll look for them now.

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Re: Air/Life/Time Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55150.msg1147919#msg1147919
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2014, 03:27:26 pm »
Honestly, unupgraded wyrms and dragons aren't in a strictly better/worse relationship - they fill different niches.  Wyrms are useful if you need a lower cost, and dragons if you need to deal with DR shields (Titanium, Shield, and Permafrost are the 3 that come to mind offhand).  This deck could probably use a mix of both, dragons might be too slow.

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Re: Air/Life/Time Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55150.msg1147930#msg1147930
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2014, 04:30:49 pm »
Either go with frozen's decks, or at least look up a guide and make an ai3 grinder. Both would help drastically with money issues.
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Re: Air/Life/Time Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55150.msg1147940#msg1147940
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2014, 05:38:13 pm »
Honestly, unupgraded wyrms and dragons aren't in a strictly better/worse relationship - they fill different niches.  Wyrms are useful if you need a lower cost, and dragons if you need to deal with DR shields (Titanium, Shield, and Permafrost are the 3 that come to mind offhand).  This deck could probably use a mix of both, dragons might be too slow.

Think I'll stick with more Wyrms it will probably be best for now

Either go with frozen's decks, or at least look up a guide and make an ai3 grinder. Both would help drastically with money issues.

Yep there's probably lots of info out there that could be useful to me regarding the type of deck i'm using at the moment. Not really sure what an ai3 grinder is? But probably a quick search of the forum will tell me, just enjoying playing the game at the moment. :) Thanks for the reply

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Re: Air/Life/Time Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55150.msg1147969#msg1147969
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2014, 07:05:56 pm »
Omega, I said that there are probably better decks out there than mine for the specific purpose that I thought you were going to rip them into shreds.

STOP BEING NICE TO ME ;~;

Anyway:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/community-recommended-decks/level-3/

Although, I recommend building a deck from here:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/community-recommended-decks/bronze-and-silver-arenas/

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Re: Air/Life/Time Deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55150.msg1148092#msg1148092
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2014, 03:32:40 pm »
Omega, I said that there are probably better decks out there than mine for the specific purpose that I thought you were going to rip them into shreds.

STOP BEING NICE TO ME ;~;

Anyway:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/community-recommended-decks/level-3/

Although, I recommend building a deck from here:
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/community-recommended-decks/bronze-and-silver-arenas/

Thanks for the links frozen, checking them out as I write this. I have since changed my deck and dropped the time element, it does seem to be winning more matches, still a work in progress. I got the Owls Eye that you recommended.

 

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