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Growing Flames (AI3 Grinder) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31281.msg396272#msg396272
« on: September 20, 2011, 07:31:22 pm »
This deck won 7/10 duels against Ai3
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Here, your supposed to play Ash Eater (or Brimstone Eater if playing upped), Immolate it, and start playing Fire Spirit and Lava Golem to start growing, Deflaging/Fire bolting dangers.

EDIT: Ralouf1's suggustion gave me the idea for this deck, even though I haven't tested it yet, it should do okay.
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Here you have 2 quanta Pheonixes, that can be immolated once a turn, crimson dragons for the extra fire quanta, and Lava golems for the beat sticks. Will edit when I can get decent stats, let me know how these decks do, and sguggestions are always appreciated

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Re: Growing Flames (AI3 Grinder) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31281.msg396276#msg396276
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2011, 07:40:51 pm »
I think that if you swich the specter with phoenix you'll be close to 10/10

-1 fire shield +1 deflag too.
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Re: Growing Flames (AI3 Grinder) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31281.msg396311#msg396311
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2011, 08:40:30 pm »
I think that if you swich the specter with phoenix you'll be close to 10/10

-1 fire shield +1 deflag too.
When I did what you suggusted, I still got 7/10, and the deck your suggution has a higher price. So overall, it could be considered worse.

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Re: Growing Flames (AI3 Grinder) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31281.msg423451#msg423451
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2011, 11:55:57 pm »
Hmmmmm.......
Change your mark to fire for the first one and guess what?
It's QI is now exactly 5!!!
That means you have perfect quanta generation.
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Re: Growing Flames (AI3 Grinder) Asking for people to help make it a better deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31281.msg423717#msg423717
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2011, 03:02:46 pm »
Hmmmmm.......
Change your mark to fire for the first one and guess what?
It's QI is now exactly 5!!!
That means you have perfect quanta generation.
Unfortunantly, then the Lava Golems become 5/1 beat sticks. I would like to use them as growing beatsticks, but that's my opinion.

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Re: Growing Flames (AI3 Grinder) Asking for people to help make it a better deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31281.msg423718#msg423718
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2011, 03:03:21 pm »
The QI isn't the solution.On 2nd deck -2 pends, +1 pillar, +1 dragon might be first on list.
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Re: Growing Flames (AI3 Grinder) Asking for people to help make it a better deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31281.msg425314#msg425314
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2011, 05:09:40 pm »
What did you get when you tried that deck?

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Re: Growing Flames (AI3 Grinder) Asking for people to help make it a better deck. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31281.msg454812#msg454812
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 04:05:52 pm »
Based on your original post, it looks like the goal of this deck was to farm AI3. As far as that goes, if you're not getting 9/10 or better consistently, there are definitely better decks. However, if you're anything like me, you prefer having fun when you farm. That's why I use decks very similar to this more often than not. ;)

Now, I'm going to move forward based on the second deck. This appears to be an Immo Rush deck, so I will treat it as such. The first thing to do when designing an Immo Rush deck is determining the fuel source. In this case, you're using solely minor Phoenixes instead of an Immofodder such as Photon, Gnome Rider, etc.. This is perfectly fine, but it requires delicate balance to function as well as possible. I would recommend focusing on one of two things; Many fuel sources to maximize likelihood of early quanta acceleration from Immolation or more quanta sources with less emphasis on acceleration. I find that my decks are more stable if I stick to one or the other. For example, you might try one of the following.
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Notice that in the first one, there is quite a bit more quanta, but also less Immolation. I've also modified the quanta to focus on Fire which is far more important in this deck. Excess Earth can only be spent by fragile Golems where extra Fire can be spent on fielding more damage. I've done something similar with the second deck, but it also features more Immolation, which can produce 1 additional Earth for the Golems, and additional Minor Phoenixes which are your fuel source for the Immolations. Either way should increase the stability and possibly the overall speed of the deck, while still holding on to those precious Deflags that can be so detrimental to a good rush.

Good luck and happy farming!
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Re: Growing Flames (AI3 Grinder) Asking for people to help make it a better deck https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31281.msg454873#msg454873
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2012, 05:42:58 pm »
I'd use photons instead of ash eaters.  That way, you can play photon/immo/creature on turn 1, instead of having to wait until turn 2.  That one extra turn faster will help quite a bit.

 

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