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Gargoyles Healing. Need help for improvement. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27713.msg353156#msg353156
« on: June 18, 2011, 12:41:57 pm »
Hey there :)

I was playing this deck on AI3 for a while now and it won every game of the 75 I made. I didn't count the EM's though (but there were some  ;) )

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What I'd like to do with this deck is:
1) Drain more Quanta with Devourers
2) Give more damage with Gargoyles.

My first Idea was to add (at least) two Mitosis. One for the Devourers and one for the Gargoyles. Or by using Adrenalin, also on both of them.
But I wasn't able to come up with a good idea because the balance with quanta is very difficult. I need earth quanta so I can use Liquid Shadows on Gargoyles after they got into Stone Form. I'd need life quanta for Adrenaline and/or Mitosis and of course Darkness for the rest.

This is a version I tried so far, but it doesn't work very well.
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I also thought about giving Mitosis to the devourers and Rage Potions to Gargoyles but this would lead to four Elements (Fire, Earth, Darkness, Life) and it'd be bad for the use of Liquid Shadow on Gargoyles.

So if you have any ideas how to make this deck better I'd be very interested in them  :)
Also if you now how to make it faster with less healing that would be okay. Just say what you think about it  ;)

By the way, I didn't try this deck on Top 50.
And do you think it's a good idea to upgrade it? If yes, what cards first?

Thanks a lot in advance for your support  :D

 
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Re: Gargoyles Healing. Need help for improvement. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27713.msg353174#msg353174
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2011, 02:17:27 pm »
To get faster and have more healing, having 30 cards and 6 LS will help. Cutting down devourers and replacing with pillars is the way to go(also the drain lifes could be cutted, as you dont have quanta to stockpile).

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Re: Gargoyles Healing. Need help for improvement. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27713.msg353599#msg353599
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2011, 03:05:15 pm »
earthquake is your best to drain quicker, but you have to chose, you can't drain and heal (successfully) unless you include bastlik's blood

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Re: Gargoyles Healing. Need help for improvement. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27713.msg353612#msg353612
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2011, 03:53:04 pm »
Faster with less healin? Take out Vamp stiletto and 1 Drain life; use the other 2 for CC.
If you're not going for a lockdown with devourers, why do you want to drain more quanta with them?
With the -stiletto and - drain life, you don't need 16 pillars (devourers included) for 33 cards (just about half teh deck!).
Take out 2 pillars/devourers or so then.
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Re: Gargoyles Healing. Need help for improvement. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27713.msg353652#msg353652
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2011, 05:35:12 pm »
If you know what you want, the best bet is to narrow it down to the cards that you want and cut the other stuff.

8x Obsidian Tower
6x Devourer
6x Gargoyle
6x LS
3x Steal
1x Vampire Dagger

kind of thing.
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Re: Gargoyles Healing. Need help for improvement. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27713.msg354015#msg354015
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2011, 11:43:49 am »
To get faster and have more healing, having 30 cards and 6 LS will help. Cutting down devourers and replacing with pillars is the way to go(also the drain lifes could be cutted, as you dont have quanta to stockpile).
Thanks for your suggestions! :) I did as you said and took out the Devourers for Pillars and Changed the Drain Lifes for LS.
Having half of the Deck generating Quanta was a little too much though, that's why I changed three Pillars for Dragons. It worked pretty well then :)

earthquake is your best to drain quicker, but you have to chose, you can't drain and heal (successfully) unless you include bastlik's blood
I also thank you. The idea of using Earthquakes often worked very well. I tried to change the Devourers for some Pendulums and adding LS. I tried to less variations to know which version's best, but I'll go on and try to build them in better :D  Oh, and could you explain me for what exactly the Basilisk Blood should be used? I didn't understand that, sry   :-[    And thanks again! :)

Faster with less healin? Take out Vamp stiletto and 1 Drain life; use the other 2 for CC.
If you're not going for a lockdown with devourers, why do you want to drain more quanta with them?
With the -stiletto and - drain life, you don't need 16 pillars (devourers included) for 33 cards (just about half teh deck!).
Take out 2 pillars/devourers or so then.
And that's my feedback.
Thanks a lot for your help! :)  You're right, half of my deck was generating quanta, i didn't notice that xD I did as you said and it was a little faster now that I had less cards in my deck. I let the Devourers in, also because they can do some damage if Nightfall is activated. And in fact, the Drain Lifes quite often helped to get rid of some annoying Creatures x) Thanks again!

If you know what you want, the best bet is to narrow it down to the cards that you want and cut the other stuff.

8x Obsidian Tower
6x Devourer
6x Gargoyle
6x LS
3x Steal
1x Vampire Dagger

kind of thing.
Thank you for your help! :) I tried it and it wins very often. It also is faster than my version. I sometimes missed my Dusk Mantle, Nightfall or Drain Life. But I was able to steal shields and the Gargoyles did always enough damage. So I only changed one LS for Drain Life :)


I thank you all for your help :D Your advice were all useful and I'll try to combine them in the best way possible! :)

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Re: Gargoyles Healing. Need help for improvement. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27713.msg372188#msg372188
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2011, 01:13:55 pm »
Well if you do want to somehow combine Gargoyles, Liquid Shadow, Devourers and Mitosis I'd suggest something like this:
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I was tinkering around a bit to find the right balance, but since you mentioned needing Earth quanta mostly for the Gargoyles just these might suffice, not for all the Gargoyles that you don't have Liquid Shadow for nor for the Devourers, but you have to sacrifice something ;)
It's really fragile against mass CC on top of the previous weaknesses, but it's really fun to see something like this ^_^
There's basically enough Earth quanta for all 4 Liquid Shadows and for 2 Gargoyles you might want to use Mitosis on. It doesn't have Steals, Nightfalls or anything, but is quite consistent in getting all 4 cards to work in a single deck. It all depends on what you want to achieve though, but I hope I was of any help. Feel free to ask for any more tweaks you might want to make!

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Re: Gargoyles Healing. Need help for improvement. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27713.msg373035#msg373035
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 08:38:28 am »
There's basically enough Earth quanta for all 4 Liquid Shadows and for 2 Gargoyles you might want to use Mitosis on. It doesn't have Steals, Nightfalls or anything, but is quite consistent in getting all 4 cards to work in a single deck. It all depends on what you want to achieve though, but I hope I was of any help. Feel free to ask for any more tweaks you might want to make!
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Re: Gargoyles Healing. Need help for improvement. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27713.msg373188#msg373188
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2011, 05:12:12 pm »
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Novas - provides the earth needed to use the gargoyles stone form ability, also to generate the gravity to use an acceleration, drawing 2 and a devourer will let you get a devourer out first turn which really can slow your opponent down if they are quanta screwed

Accelerations - since gargoyles have stone form, acceleration works great with them.  this gives a needed damage boost you are looking for

Blessings - quick damage boost for the gargoyles with liquid shadows, which will heal you for more hp

The two drain lifes would be used if you need to gain some life to live for another turn, or used for the kill.
There is also a lone miracle in the deck, since there will be an excess of light production, it could be a game saver.

If you try this and find there is not enough quanta production for your liking, remove the miracle and a blessing, maybe two blessings and throw in another light pend and 2 darkness pillars, and also replace 2 of the light pends with 2 darkness pillars

 

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