gargoyle overdrive

[Gandora]

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gargoyle+overdrive+denial. being a trio the balance for me is really difficult. suggestions are appreciated

version 2 (more focus, doesn't work bad but ideas for improvement are always useful ):

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[furballdn]

I think I prefer the second one. 30 cards. Also, you don't need that much anyway. You'll rarely be burrowing pests, and each gargoyle only needs one to stone form and quicksands only cost 2. I'd also like to see some eclipse/nightfall in here, as that increases damage and makes your pests useful.

[Drake_XIV]

Because denial isn't useful?

[furballdn]

Hmm. My bad. I thought the second deck had EQ in it as well. EQ could easily be added in the second deck. Just take out a gargoyle, and the two gravity forces.

[Drake_XIV]

Problem with that is that he doesn't really have any defense now.  I'd actually drop a Pest for a Obsidian Tower...

[furballdn]

Problem with that is that he doesn't really have any defense now.  I'd actually drop a Pest for a Obsidian Tower...

Perhaps. 6 pests is a bit too much, especially considering how their only purpose is to steal quanta. That's why I said I'd like to see eclipse added. This deck would be killer as a FG though, since the mark automatically generates three per turn.

[Drake_XIV]

It'd certainly be interesting.  But as an FG, it'd probably run the original deck after the addition of some more  .

And on account of defenses with v2.0, maybe drop a Pest for a Dusk Mantle?  So you aren't dead after Gravity Forces are used up.

[furballdn]

It'd certainly be interesting.  But as an FG, it'd probably run the original deck after the addition of some more  .

And on account of defenses with v2.0, maybe drop a Pest for a Dusk Mantle?  So you aren't dead after Gravity Forces are used up.

Dusk mantle? Hmm. perhaps. I haven't run any actual tests, so I sort of want to know which quanta you have too much of or too little of. I suppose regular shields and tower shields can do if you're relatively balanced on quanta.

[Drake_XIV]

It does look somewhat balanced, since Pests will repay their cost.  But Gargoyles will definitely not be out until the 5th turn at least. your third turn at least.

[Absol]

As a general rule of thumb, i always add at least 6 pillars in a batch on any given deck (except QT). Less, and you could just use Mark for that.
4 Gargoyles seems too many. Drop 1 or 2. You can also convert Pests to Towers to speed the combo up. Denial is not worth slowing the combo down.

[Gandora]

i didn't use defense because i thought steal will provide this. but removing pest for a dusk shield was an improvement imo
also speeding up by removing pests was nice. of course this change hurt the effectiveness of denial, but it can be worth it.
i made some variations as you can see below. i'd be interested what you think about them

new versions:

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has defense now and more obsidian towers, added quicksands as suggestednr. 4:

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without denial, instead more obsidian towers and control. a little draw dependent since i only have four gravity towers. maybe change a doll for a tower is better. i also thought of adding one or two trebuchet instead of gravity force. i guess that would be nice too :)nr. 5:

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black hole for denial and heal, of course less effective against mono/duos.

[Absol]

Just as i asked in the other thread, at which turn does the combo generally started rolling?
V3 looks too strained on , but maybe it's just me. V4 looks good. V5 also looks good.

Generally if i make a duo then i'll splash one of the element as mark, or do full 50-50 and use pends, so i'm a bit confused about the quanta balance there. Testing could help.