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Fractal charger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54716.msg1139790#msg1139790
« on: June 11, 2014, 01:19:16 am »
Basically i am trying to build a :gravity :aether fractal deck
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Re: Fractal charger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54716.msg1139810#msg1139810
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Re: Fractal charger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54716.msg1139958#msg1139958
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2014, 11:41:46 pm »
Graviton mercenary, whilst terrible unupped, is THE :gravity card to fractal upgraded.

Chargers are simply too expensive.

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Re: Fractal charger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54716.msg1139993#msg1139993
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2014, 08:27:09 am »
I like Fractal Charger. I just can tell you there are some things you have to change.

First of all I would remove Titan. You can not fractal it and it would be a waste if you have a fractal in your hand and you are waiting for your creature. Suddenly you draw Titan.

Next thing is to make a mix of Graviton Mercenary and Charger. Why? Because Gravitons are much cheaper and since their buff they have a nice dmg ratio compared to it's cost. Maybe 3 of both creatures?

Reduce your deck to 30 cards. Like kick some lightnings. Then work on your quanta balance.

Oh, your quanta balance is horrible.  In a 30 card deck I would suggest at least 14 quanta sources for duo decks. 2 Gravity Pillars + 12 Gravity Pendulums for example. But be careful: The more you use Gravity pillars instead of pendulums the faster you can play damage on the field, BUT: too much gravity pillars instead of pendulums could mean that you don't have enough quanta for Dim shields or even for fractal.

Do some testings with these suggestions. Find the right quanta balance. It's one of the most important things. You have no usage of cards in your hand you can not play, cause your quanta is too short.

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Re: Fractal charger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54716.msg1139996#msg1139996
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2014, 08:59:01 am »
I might remove a Fractal. You can't use all of them at the same time, the 2nd Fractal in your hand is basicly a dead card. With 3 Fractals the rough chance for not getting them in the first 9 round is about 12,5% (in a 30-card deck). But, Chargers are sturdy enough, they can survive some damage while you are waiting for a Fractal if you don't have one yet.

As it comes to quanta, here is the way how I estimate my needs: (*)
I add the total cost of my cards plus add the cost of every card's skill once which I want to use during the game. Then I divide the sum by 5, this shows how many pillars I approximately need.
You can do some fine-tuning. (1) if you need only one copy of a card you should count it only once (eg. you have 2 of the same weapons with no Flying Weapon). (2) if a skill is vital for your deck add the cost of it twice (eg. Firefly Queen). If the skill is only situational and you have access to that type of quanta anyway, don't add anything (eg. an unbuffed Vanadium Garden's guarding). (3) Your mark usually should be the element whose quanta is less needed, UNLESS you need that type of quanta quick (this goes mostly for upgraded Pillars and Pendulums).

(*) Yes, this is only a rough estimation; a "simplified" version of the Quanta Index Counting. However, it works and it's quick. After an extensive testing you must reconsider the quanta usage. Always!

In your case, you need 35  :gravity and 64  :aether (considering your original deck, I only counted 2 fractals, that should be enough for a match). So, you need 7  :gravity source and 13  :aether source. One is your mark. That's very much, in theory you should add 19 Pillars (can be replaced by Pendulums) which would lead to a fat deck. The fatter your deck is the less reliable it is. So, I'd remove plenty of cards until the sum of your pillar and your other cards reaches 30. Or at least, gets close to it. (Unless you can draw multiple cards per turn, but this deck can't do that).
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Re: Fractal charger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54716.msg1140012#msg1140012
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2014, 11:14:01 am »
I really like fractal chargers, but it gets to weak unnuped in my opinion. I second Odii's suggestions. You should try it with silences too.
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Re: Fractal charger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54716.msg1140040#msg1140040
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2014, 02:41:09 pm »
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Re: Fractal charger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54716.msg1140041#msg1140041
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2014, 02:42:00 pm »
Is the stall sufficient until you get the chargers out?
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Re: Fractal charger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54716.msg1140044#msg1140044
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2014, 02:55:33 pm »
Interesting how you skipped all my suggestions.
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Re: Fractal charger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54716.msg1140054#msg1140054
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2014, 03:50:14 pm »
Normally people take the suggestions of the Masters when speaking of deckbuilding  :P
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Re: Fractal charger https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54716.msg1140062#msg1140062
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2014, 04:44:30 pm »
I took some of the advice by improving the qi index.
I also removed the titan and still make it a 35 card arena deck
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