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Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg240664#msg240664
« on: January 05, 2011, 12:13:31 am »
Advice for this, it is pretty focused but i know it has hidden potential somewhere, it is alot like Air/Fire unstable gas decks.
This is how i like to play it:
  -Play all pillars, make sure i only play Armagios and wait for a fractal.
  -When you get fractal use it on Armagio and spam them.
  -Only use the gravity pull effect to protect yourself when you would die from damage next turn or reach near critical health.
  -Place catapults when you hit at least 8 gravity pillars or run out of Armagios to play.
  -start sacrificing Armagios in large numbers, i usually sacrifice low hp Amargios from almost dying with gravity pull or from heavy creature control first.

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Re: Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg241437#msg241437
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2011, 03:40:21 am »
I like it.  A lot.

I don't have much in the way of constructive criticism.  I might be tempted to go +1 armagio, -1 catapult, which would help stall a little if you're not finding what you need.  Also I could see momentum being a problem; you could take a couple lobos to counter if you have them.

I didn't test it at all, but I'd imagine you could ease up on the rules of play a bit.  If I had a great draw against a weak opponent I might be tempted to gravpull my first armagio and see if I could EM.

Overall nice deck. :)

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Re: Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg241794#msg241794
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2011, 07:01:35 pm »
I like it.  A lot.

I don't have much in the way of constructive criticism.  I might be tempted to go +1 armagio, -1 catapult, which would help stall a little if you're not finding what you need.  Also I could see momentum being a problem; you could take a couple lobos to counter if you have them.

I didn't test it at all, but I'd imagine you could ease up on the rules of play a bit.  If I had a great draw against a weak opponent I might be tempted to gravpull my first armagio and see if I could EM.

Overall nice deck. :)
I tried it with +1 armagio beforehand but it didn't work well so i took it out to add an extra  :aether pillar and fractal. I usually end up with 2/3 catapults by the time i start spiking so if i took one of them away i would not deal damage fast enough.

i am sure a lobo would help, there is sometimes extra  :aether quanta before or after fractal that would make a lobo easy to play and use.


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Re: Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg241801#msg241801
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2011, 07:09:17 pm »
Maybe switch some of your pillars (both types) to grav pendulums?

It'd make it more earthquake resistant and less prone to only drawing one type of quanta.

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Re: Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg241833#msg241833
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2011, 08:04:52 pm »
Seeing as you're using more :gravity than :aether, you could switch to Aether pendulums and Grav mark. You may also be able to put in 2-3 Dimensional Shields when you have a better quanta balance that way.
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Re: Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg241960#msg241960
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2011, 10:28:01 pm »
Seeing as you're using more :gravity than :aether, you could switch to Aether pendulums and Grav mark. You may also be able to put in 2-3 Dimensional Shields when you have a better quanta balance that way.
i like the sound of this, will post results as apposed to prior results.

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Re: Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg242009#msg242009
« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2011, 11:26:28 pm »
Seeing as you're using more :gravity than :aether, you could switch to Aether pendulums and Grav mark. You may also be able to put in 2-3 Dimensional Shields when you have a better quanta balance that way.
i like the sound of this, will post results as apposed to prior results.
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okay i did a little tweaking and here is what i made.
i found that after i made higurashi's changed i was strangely drawing many less armagios than usual so i did the -1 catapult/+1 armagio thing mentioned earlier.
Dimentional shields became a useful stalling device to block large forces ammassed that could overcome 25 damage by a large margin, giving me more protection than just clicking gravity pull.
originally i was having  :aether quanta problems when i made the changes higurashi detailed so i changed out about three additional  :gravity pillars and  :aether pendulums into  :aether pillars.
here are the stats i got;
Before
about 45% win rate against level 3 and 30% win rate against level 5
after 60% against level 3 and around 40% win against level 5
i reckon that this is the limit of making this deck better unless anybody else has additional input.

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Re: Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg242158#msg242158
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2011, 03:05:41 am »
I took out a cata as I'd recommended and also swapped a couple pillars for pendulums for EQ protection and ended up with this:

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Re: Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg242418#msg242418
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2011, 02:54:30 pm »
This deck looks really nice, i like the idea alot.

Unfortunately im tired and i have to sleep, else i would try to tweak this deck.

I shall try tomorrow, my idea is to add some basalisk blood for additional dmg/stall depending on what you need.

Im still new... but that sounds pretty epic.

Re: Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg242440#msg242440
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2011, 03:32:35 pm »
So i ended up staying up just to try it out.

My stats were 5-2 against AI3, not the greatest i know and probably not something your going to do. But i enjoyed it, and i can picture myself using this PvP just for shits n giggles.  Someone could proly tweak my version into something better.
I never liked using more than two elements but this isnt too bad. And 36 cards are a bit much, but never the less thank you for inspiring me into this deck build. Good work on the original idea.

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Re: Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg242513#msg242513
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2011, 05:50:43 pm »
5-2 and 4-1 sound like much better results, maybe i am just unlucky with my hands, will try out your versions to see whether i can do better with one of them.

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Re: Fractal Catapult Fodder [Gravity/Aether] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18874.msg243102#msg243102
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2011, 02:43:28 pm »
just a thought but what happens when you enemy has deflagrations at the
time that your catapults are out?

 

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