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forest scorpion deck help https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53790.msg1126419#msg1126419
« on: February 16, 2014, 06:11:01 pm »
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anyway this could be made better its a little slow

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Re: forest scorpion deck help https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53790.msg1126421#msg1126421
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2014, 06:24:50 pm »
anyway this could be made better its a little slow

Well, it won't get much faster than that. If you want to stick with the adren+scorpion combo, try adding some stalling cards in there, like gravity pulls, or a druidic staff or two. The shield in "other" may help you as well, as you don't have much quanta to use for a life shield. Other than that, you may want more creatures, since you don't have many and those are easy targets for CC. So maybe adding 2 or three Cockatrices would be a good choice.
^^To get some space for all those modifications, I would go -2 momentum, -2 adrenalin, -1 forest scorpion and try from that.
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Re: forest scorpion deck help https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53790.msg1126524#msg1126524
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2014, 04:58:39 pm »
My suggestion would be to switch to a life mark and add 6 gravity pendulums in place of 6 life pillars. Momentum is pretty low cost and I'm guessing adrenaline is eating more quanta than the deck can sustain early game.

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Re: forest scorpion deck help https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53790.msg1126525#msg1126525
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2014, 05:03:33 pm »
My suggestion would be to switch to a life mark and add 6 gravity pendulums in place of 6 life pillars. Momentum is pretty low cost and I'm guessing adrenaline is eating more quanta than the deck can sustain early game.

Nah, you will want the gravity quanta fast too, and the current quanta balance is the most stable one you can get for that deck. 12 pillars are enough for those scorps+adrenas. Anything like those gravity pendulum/life pillar splits and similar stuff will only add inconsistence.
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Re: forest scorpion deck help https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53790.msg1126528#msg1126528
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2014, 05:35:50 pm »
My suggestion would be to switch to a life mark and add 6 gravity pendulums in place of 6 life pillars. Momentum is pretty low cost and I'm guessing adrenaline is eating more quanta than the deck can sustain early game.

Nah, you will want the gravity quanta fast too, and the current quanta balance is the most stable one you can get for that deck. 12 pillars are enough for those scorps+adrenas. Anything like those gravity pendulum/life pillar splits and similar stuff will only add inconsistence.

True but I would rather not wait to use momentum on a set pattern of once every 2 turns.  Using pendulums instead may actually increase the number of momentums you could use earlier. Not by much however. But it would be more inconsistent like you said because drawing pendulums lies to chance and there might be problems with over/under generating gravity quanta.

Also there would be another benefit to changing the mark to life; increased healing from SoG's if you consider those when replacing some of the other cards. Just an option to test out you have them available.

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Re: forest scorpion deck help https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53790.msg1126530#msg1126530
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2014, 06:26:28 pm »
Replace the momentums for Frogs and enjoy your 'clean' 6 TTW games
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Re: forest scorpion deck help https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53790.msg1126535#msg1126535
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2014, 06:54:26 pm »
Replace the momentums for Frogs and enjoy your 'clean' 6 TTW games

Best idea I've heard. This would speed things up considerably but would trade off a way to deal with shields which is something that mono-life lacks in.

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Re: forest scorpion deck help https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53790.msg1126542#msg1126542
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2014, 07:39:34 pm »
Replace the momentums for Frogs and enjoy your 'clean' 6 TTW games

Best idea I've heard. This would speed things up considerably but would trade off a way to deal with shields which is something that mono-life lacks in.

If you go for that speed with frogs, it's better to switch the scorpions to cockatrice because they add more speed and more resistence to CC. Because of the speed of the deck the poison from scorpions would be useless anyway. Now you can clap in your hands, cause you have just recreated the most obvious mono life speed Adrenalin deck in existence. The only problem with that is that you just told an newbie that he should just switch to that "better" unoriginal life mono deck, instead of trying to help him improving his own idea, which is a "Life+Gravity Duo focusing on Momentum+Forest Scorpion+Adrenalin", not a borin Adrenafrog deck.
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Re: forest scorpion deck help https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53790.msg1126551#msg1126551
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2014, 08:25:33 pm »
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Doing something like this would keep the spirit of the original deck while helping with other factors that might beat it. SoG's could be replaced if you don't have them by an emerald shield and another card of your choice. Maybe a dragon, mitosis, or a druidic staff.

Actually, SoG's might not be a good idea because you don't have a life mark. Bad DJ...
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Re: forest scorpion deck help https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=53790.msg1126558#msg1126558
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2014, 09:46:49 pm »
Unfortunately, unupped adrenamomentumed forest scorpions can not be a truly reliable deck versus ai3 or pvp1. Since your aim is to bypass shields, replace :gravity mark with a :fire mark, replace four of the momentums with deflagrations and the other two momentums with heals for stalling. Moreover, replace two emerald pillars with life pendulums and one adrenaline with a druidic staff. Pendulums will slightly help you in gathering fire quanta for deflags without hindering your overall life quanta income and five adrenalines are enough for a six-creature deck.
So, by taking into account your originally posted deck, we have the following changes...
+ fire mark
- gravity mark
+ 4x deflagration
- 6x momentum
+ 2x heal
- 2x emerald pillars
+ 2x life pendulums
- 1x adrenaline
+ 1x druidic staff

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