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Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035632#msg1035632
« on: January 26, 2013, 10:45:04 am »
Hi everyone.

My girlfriend started playing The Elements for like a few days and she obviously chose Fire as her main and favourite. And then.. Oracle gave her two purple nymphs IN A ROW! (and yesterday she got light nymph.. what a luck!) And she got Discord (and vamp stiletto) from spins. Fahrenheit as an obvious choice from quest.

I convince her she should have duo-deck, but I couldnt find good fire/entropy decks so I ask for help to construct something using:
 - mainly fire (aggresive spells and dragons/pheonixes)
 - rare weapons (fahrenheit/discord)
 - 2 purple nymphs..

I tried to change her main fire deck mark for entropy, give these new rares, but it isn't really efficient deck..

Eventualy, ideas for Fire/Light are also considered (due to Seraphins and Light Nymph..)

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Re: Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035635#msg1035635
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2013, 10:51:05 am »
What did you just say?????
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Re: Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035639#msg1035639
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2013, 11:02:26 am »
I know they are rare, but.. well.. still in unexperienced hands there is no killer deck. :)
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Re: Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035664#msg1035664
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2013, 12:18:26 pm »
First thing I thought of with entropy/fire was maxwell's demon + fire shield.  As the creatures attack, eventually their hp will become less than their attack and you can kill them.  Maybe something like this?

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Other than the demons, pends, and one shield and one phoenix, it looks like she's got all that already, and that shouldn't take too long to get.  You can tweak it as desired of course, and seeing how late it is for me (just finished a tourney so I'm still up) I've probably made some mistakes here, but given you want to use those elements and those nymphs, I think that's not a bad place to start.  I know it doesn't use the fahrenheit, but I've never been a fan of mixing weapons in a deck, unless it can use animate weapon, and there won't be too much spare fire quanta here anyway.

Also, make sure to tell her never to ever ever ever EVER sell any nymphs, no matter how tempting the price is.

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Re: Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035675#msg1035675
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2013, 12:51:32 pm »
Thank you very much for attention. ;) Gonna send this and check it out with her. Looks like Entropy makes many big fire-monsters useless ;)

I would't love also to see  :fire/ :light deck using:
 - light nymph  (I see bioluminescence is crucial to few tactics + gives amazing healing while fire decks are very, very aggresive.)
 - seraphs (they make sense only with light, huh?)

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Re: Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035682#msg1035682
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2013, 01:11:32 pm »
That luck.

Anyway, while I would make a deck containing light nymph and seraphs, I find it odd to include only one light nymph in the deck. First, because Fire has several creatures with Skills, and the rest are just too impractical (Ash Eater..); one light nymph wouldn't contribute much to the strategy and we wouldn't be able to make a strategy around just a single light nymph, as the deck would become too draw-dependant. Further on, just tossing the nymph into a deck isn't that much of an idea either, as you have to give enough quanta to make it playable and to maybe use her ability; if you don't, it's a dead card; and if you do, there's always the chance you'll have excess light quanta and will never draw her/ draw her too early.

Just something to think about.

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Re: Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035686#msg1035686
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2013, 01:42:06 pm »
So making deck dependant on single nymph is bad option. How about her being just an addition to typical fire/light  aggresive-healing deck? Which deck creatures are more important? Actualy only small ash eaters or dragons have no skill. Then it gives me a question if Light Nymph is good creature herself?  :)

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Re: Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035690#msg1035690
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2013, 02:04:43 pm »
Light nymph by herself is quite an attack dealer, but then again, you only have one of it. It's hard to build something that gives the nymph a highlight when you only have -one- of them; specially if you want a fast deck (Seraphs and Dragons are expensive, and so is the light nymph -- what do?)

After throwing some cards around for roughly 5 minutes, maybe less, I came up with this :

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It's a basic deck -- Use the Rage Potions on Guardians Angels or use them to kill your opponent's creatures -- Make Seraph's untargeteable and use nymph for some more attack and for healing.  Simple deck but I've yet to test it -- I'mma run it 10 times against AI3 and then tell you how it went. 10 times is kind of a small sample, though.

As for entropy, while Dragondesmesne's deck is good, I decided to take a more offensive approach --

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Quite a basic deck but it deals a bit more damage while still packing a bit of Creature Control (Chaos Seed). I'mma also run it against AI3 a bit and then tell you how it went.

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Re: Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035692#msg1035692
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2013, 02:20:13 pm »
Sadly I own two Light Nymphs but I haven't used it except for once, for the old RoL/Hope deck with nymphs instead dragons.

You can never build a deck around 1-2 cards. It is extremely unstable.
The most frustrating (but working) one was a deck called 'Silence is golden', built around 2 Golden Nymphs + 1 Nymph's Tear(with a Time Tower).
A deck built around three cards are still unstable, but that deck had such extreme draw power.

Dm1321 actually got the exact point. If you just fit one White Nymph in the whole deck, which herself and her skill costs extremely high (this causes nymphs are underused than it seems),
1) You put enough Pillars for the nymph: probably too many excess quanta.
2) You do not put enough Pillars: you can't play it.

How to get through this problem?
1. Use high cost cards (of that element). Then the problem above won't happen.
2. Make a stall deck. You'll eventually get enough quanta to play the nymph. < I recommend this because Purple and Light Nymphs are especially a stallers.
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Re: Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035701#msg1035701
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2013, 02:48:51 pm »
Unsurprisingly, both decks fared quite badly. I was pretty surprised with the entropy one, although it might have been bad luck (I faced Aether AI3 both times and then met the Earth one, which BB'd everything I had on field ASAP). End story, Entropy went 5-5 with slow matches (luck?), while the Light one went 6-4 with shorter matches.

If I had to pick one of the two, I'd pick the light one. Fights were more enjoyable over all and it's a bit faster. I would definitely  change the pendulums into Light Pendulums with Fire Mark however, since I was often lacking to play the Seraphs. I rarely played the nymph as well (But when I did I had it to absurd stats, such as 18/9 and luciferin' myself every turn.) In the end, you choose.

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Re: Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035717#msg1035717
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2013, 04:03:22 pm »
Actualy I tested all 3 of them and one with Maxwell demons was the only one who survived in my trainer hands ^^ Actualy Fire/Light angels deck is very climatic. Still, it's pretty hard to construct Fire/Purple for Half-Bloods despite gaining 3 rare cards :<

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Re: Fire/Entropy deck for GF https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=46280.msg1035719#msg1035719
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2013, 04:06:16 pm »
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