Fire vs top 50

[hermantheowl]

trying to rush with phoneixes and LAva golems with fire bolt and creture control/ a finisher

comments welcome,
 I got the idea from this: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6167.0.html

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[PhuzzY LogiK]

If you're rushing, do you often find the Fire Shield useful?  It seems that at the beginning of the game you need the quanta to play creatures, and at the end of the game you should have rushed them to death before the shield would have a chance to kill anything.  Maybe take another Deflag instead?

[hermantheowl]

I only really need that fire shield vs ROL Hope or maybe pharoahs. I also fear quintessence. Instead of fire shield Delfag or another farenehit or Phoneix or fire bolt would make it faster. Same for rain of fire.

[lawlmaster09]

i would suggest adding some immolations and some photons and some more pheonixes, instead of lava golems, becauase lava golems use earth wich is just another element you need quantums for, making it slower.


maybe add some fractals and change mark to aether?

if you add immolations you should add some cheap weapons or something too

[hermantheowl]

try 6 photon/imolation, and don't bother with creature control?

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[bojengles77]

Making that deck a fractal deck won't work well. With just the mark, you have to wait atleast 4 or 5 turns to wait to play a fractal - the game should be almost over at that point with a good rush deck. Also, make the mark for the golems, immolations also help out with earth quanta. If you're looking for a fire rush deck, you should probably take out the shield and the RoF, as mass CC shouldn't be a priority in a rush deck.

You could go with something like this if you want a Golem rush deck. Creature control isn't a high priority, but deflags are important to get rid of shields:

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use immolates on photons and play whatever fire creatures you have. Use the earth mark for grown and immolate will give you excess earth quanta. Try to keep the deck centered on one idea. If you want a rush deck, take out creature control because that slows down the deck. If you want a fire bolt finisher, add more fire shields and less creatures to stall out and then win with huge fahrenheit hits and fire bolts at the end. Remember the purpose of your deck when you're building it and stay with it through the whole deck, don't try to do 4 different things with one deck.

[Clathius]

I only really need that fire shield vs ROL Hope or maybe pharoahs. I also fear quintessence. Instead of fire shield Delfag or another farenehit or Phoneix or fire bolt would make it faster. Same for rain of fire.

Personally, I find fire shield very helpful in Top50 because it is an "I win" button vs certain decks like ROL/Hope.   It also really hoses other fire decks and also graboid decks.  IMO for this reason, it is worth 1 card.   The trick with the shield is to know when to play it.   No one says you have the play the card just because it is in your hand.   

I have been experimenting with fire decks and here is the problem as I see it:   if you use immolate/cremeate, your deck will be faster but draw dependant (if you don't get a immolate or ROL) you are not going anywhere and likely lose).   If you use a pillar/tower heavy deck like in your original post, it will play slightly slower but be more consistant.   So you need to choose between these two styles of fire decks based on your personal style. 

There is also a second problem with fire: that the spells (firebolt) and fahrenheit are inconsistant with creature heavy decks.   If you are using your quantum to slap down creatures, you won't have a stock pile to fuel the spells.    Rush decks work best when they have the absolute minimal amount of pillars to play their creatures.   Firebolt works best when you are stock piling quantum.   

So really you need to decide between 3 types of decks for fire:  immolate based creature, tower based creature or a quantum generating deck.

[hermantheowl]

One with less creatures and more fire bolts. But I think more creatures would work better vs top 50
This is more for PVP and is similar to something plastique posted
what would have to be changed to take on top 50?

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5828.0.html, palstique's reply
never mind http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,5803.0.html

but how do I use lava golems without the immolation rush (to fit in more creature control) I am only really familar with phoenix and dragon decks (without immolate) and have a basic undrestanding of them, those lava golems help get past all that shard healing

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[hermantheowl]

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