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Firestall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29654.msg377307#msg377307
« on: August 08, 2011, 04:37:37 pm »
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So... any way to make this firestall better, besides upgrades? I'm using this to rarefarm bronze atm.
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Re: Firestall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29654.msg377329#msg377329
« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2011, 05:07:11 pm »
not really anything you can make better, but how well does this work on bronze?
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Re: Firestall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29654.msg377340#msg377340
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2011, 05:37:33 pm »
you can reduce the number of pillars. maybe -3 pillars
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Re: Firestall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29654.msg377343#msg377343
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2011, 05:47:35 pm »

Explosion:Bad upgrade in this moment,-1 cost for explosion,bolt receives -2 cost.

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Re: Firestall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29654.msg377350#msg377350
« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2011, 05:55:58 pm »
not really anything you can make better, but how well does this work on bronze?
Explosion:Bad upgrade in this moment,-1 cost for explosion,bolt receives -2 cost.
He is replying to "besides upgrades"
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Re: Firestall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29654.msg377479#msg377479
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2011, 08:57:03 pm »
Heh, thanks for all the replies. About the upgrades: I have upgraded no fire cards, ever. The upgraded fire cards you see above all came from FGs. I'll consider the -3pillars, but sometimes I'm already getting bad draws where I'm getting only 1 or 2 pillars- and slow start=near death games if I get a shield, death if I don't.

As for how well it's doing in bronze- really good. Perm control doesn't affect me much, with the number of perms I have. and I can explode pulvy. But there are three main problems:
1: Dragons. Fire shield really takes a lot of time to get through those, and if there's more than 2 in the early game I have a good chance of dying.
2. Chrysoras. I only have 1 RoF, and I'm not wasting fire bolts on chrysoras. A problem comes when there's too many chrysoras and my 2 CC cards simply don't come fast enough.
3. Immo rush. Golems usually get out before my shields...RoF isn't going to take them down after turn 2, and rage pot takes down 1 and only 1. Adding more CC would detract from the bolts.

Now, these things aren't necessarily causing autolosses- it simply becomes a really really close game where it all depends on luck (a lot more so than usual)
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Re: Firestall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29654.msg377482#msg377482
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2011, 09:05:14 pm »
Ya sometimes you have to sacrifice some bolts to stay alive and win by other means (fewer bolts/fahrenheit).

You could also swap half the pillars for pends just to protect against EQ/trident.

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Re: Firestall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29654.msg377484#msg377484
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2011, 09:08:11 pm »
-1 pillar +1 RoF and -1 shield, plus one fahrenheit.
RoF is handy in a ton of situations, especially those pesky fractal decks, and its nice to get a fahrenheit out early to deal some extra damage so you CAN use up some of the bolts without it really mattering.
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Re: Firestall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29654.msg377490#msg377490
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2011, 09:20:07 pm »
RoF is handy (especially for 0 atk creatures). But I'm kinda counting on the fact that fractals are for low cost creatures, usually. And those get killed by fire shield pretty easily, which is why I have 4 shields. Shields are essential, more so than fahrenheit. I might replace a pillar for another fahrenheit, though. Thanks for all the advice!
Edit: Heh, yeah I do sacrifice bolts sometimes- usually against dragons, or the highest atk creature if I don't have enough SoGs and my shield's not up. But then comes the time when I sacrifice ALL of them... and my fahrenheits are exploded or stolen or what have you.
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