Discussion about RoL/Hope

[VegeForsaken]

I Opened this topic cause id like to ear some thoughts about this reknowned deck:

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I bought it after i red this tutorial
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28742.0.html (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28742.0.html)

tbh i was sceptic about it, since it suffers from some obvious lacks,bein that "combo oriented";

it doesnt heal, hence, it tends to succumb against poison and momentum

shield effectiveness is related to 1/1 creatures, rain of fire is your end, fire shield annhilation

for the same reason any of the shields that reduce dmg, put ya in trouble if you're not lucky enough to have already a lot of RoL for the light quanta, and a Dragon to throw fractal on.

Nevertheless, Spent all my money on it since it was said to be able to farm false gods.

It actually beat some false gods, Incarnate being the easiest so far. And fails obviously against any FG that have cards wich exposes above mentioned lacks.

I guess there's no solution for rain of fire and fire shield, and i guess the dragons are only 2 to keep the deck runnin smooth. There's a good chance to throw in 1 miracle at least tho, imo;
Why not? i mean, your consideations about why most versions of RoL/Hope around doesnt consider Miracle.

I like to do Combo Oriented decks, but usually they tend to be my "fun decks", wich cant reach great goals cause of their lacks of replies to a lot of combos/single cards. I wud like to hear if ya guys think its possible to realize a more Allaround RoL/Hope or not, and why not.

p.S: im strugglin a bit farmin the arena for rares, with a classical Monoaether+3 SoG... What's better to farm Bronze league in your opinion, this one, or the RoL/Hope?

Thank.

EDIT: I made a single try with this one, it beated Elidnis with an EM:

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[Brontos]

* It's all about efficiency. With this deck, you can beat X FG per hour, gaining a huge amount of electrums if you sell the upped cards. You don't really care if Eternal Pheonix can beat you with a single Fire Shield or if Scorpio will slowly kill you with poisons. You just can skip them and focus on beating Divine Glory and her friends.
If you change it too much to be more polyvalent, you take the risk to be less efficient overall. You also take the chance to build a better deck. :p Your call.

* Adding a touch of heal is a common tweak to the RoL/Hope. In mine, I'm just playing an Improved Miracle and it saved my life a lot of time. Specially against momentums FG. You have different options available.

* To farm bronze in 1.29, I played a Grabbix with only Creamtion upped. Worked wonders and got me my lobotomizers for the RoL/Hope.

[xsindomanx]

On ineffectiveness of the ROL + Hope against FG

First, look at this FG efficiency study: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,25609.0.html
(If you read this and still aren't satisfied by your deck, feel free to choose another unupped one here

As you can see (although rol + hope isn't shown there), most of the unupped or partially upped decks have less than 25% winrate against FGs.
Even so, they profited from playing against the FGs. One card you win can be sold at the bazaar for approximately 1100 electrums. If you play for a whole hour, lose 75% of your battles and only win 3 or 4 upped cards (though you might be depressed), you are still profiting.

If you bothered to scroll down enough while reading the study, the second section is 'skip stats', stats of decks after almost impossible FGs are skipped immediately. In the study, when this is done, electrum / hour goes up quite a bit. As Brontos said, you need to look at the FG's decks or find a nice tutorial for rol + hope decks, and skip the difficult or impossible FGs to beat quickly to beat the easier ones

*God specific guide for similar rol+hope: http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/decks/duo-and-trio-decks/ray-of-light-hope-deck/

*What is an all-rounded rol + hope deck? Care to explain?

On combo decks
I was actually surprised to read that rol + hope is a combo deck. But I guess there is a simple combo of rol + fractal + hope -> dragon + fractal.

One of the best FG farmers that was recently released is instosis: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.0
It requires a combination of 7 or 8 cards to be in your hand in order to beat the FGs. It IS a fun deck, but it is also used for serious (?) uses

[VegeForsaken]

On ineffectiveness of the ROL + Hope against FG

First, look at this FG efficiency study: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,25609.0.html
(If you read this and still aren't satisfied by your deck, feel free to choose another unupped one here

As you can see (although rol + hope isn't shown there), most of the unupped or partially upped decks have less than 25% winrate against FGs.
Even so, they profited from playing against the FGs. One card you win can be sold at the bazaar for approximately 1100 electrums. If you play for a whole hour, lose 75% of your battles and only win 3 or 4 upped cards (though you might be depressed), you are still profiting.

If you bothered to scroll down enough while reading the study, the second section is 'skip stats', stats of decks after almost impossible FGs are skipped immediately. In the study, when this is done, electrum / hour goes up quite a bit. As Brontos said, you need to look at the FG's decks or find a nice tutorial for rol + hope decks, and skip the difficult or impossible FGs to beat quickly to beat the easier ones

*God specific guide for similar rol+hope: http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/decks/duo-and-trio-decks/ray-of-light-hope-deck/

*What is an all-rounded rol + hope deck? Care to explain?

On combo decks
I was actually surprised to read that rol + hope is a combo deck. But I guess there is a simple combo of rol + fractal + hope -> dragon + fractal.

One of the best FG farmers that was recently released is instosis: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32309.0
It requires a combination of 7 or 8 cards to be in your hand in order to beat the FGs. It IS a fun deck, but it is also used for serious (?) uses

Tomorrow ill be readin the posts you linked me, thank.

"AllAround"-> just what i wrothe before, a version wich has more replies to combos/cards it happens to face, for example, Miracle/Empathic bond for healin power..

Checked the Post about the recent FG Farmer, and tried it a bit in the trainer. i didn got as many wins as most of the posters claims, but it seems to work way better than my acutal RoL/Hope... Unluckily im totally poor, and since i tend to hold the upped cards i win, my gold farming is way slow...atm it wud take me months to build up that deck..pity, really

[xsindomanx]

No problem

You can't do much about your current deck being not as good as the one in the link.
Fractal and electrocutor is cheaper upgraded, dragon has higher attack upgraded, and quarta generation is faster with towers.
If you want something  to heal, a good option is sanctuary, which costs 4 , heals 4 hp per turn, and blocks black hole and discord.
(Personally I would make http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14312.0.html if I am going to get an upped version)

[Brontos]

Just a point.

If you hold your upped card, you don't invest your electrums in a deck that could give you a lot more electrums.
My suggestion is to sell all upped cards until you have a fully upped Arena deck and a fully upped FG farming deck. Just keep the rare ones.

After this, you can collect the upped cards again. But if you don't use them, their value is, in fact, lost. It's like having a lot of money with a low income. It's best in long term to have low money but a high income.

[VegeForsaken]

Just a point.

If you hold your upped card, you don't invest your electrums in a deck that could give you a lot more electrums.
My suggestion is to sell all upped cards until you have a fully upped Arena deck and a fully upped FG farming deck. Just keep the rare ones.

After this, you can collect the upped cards again. But if you don't use them, their value is, in fact, lost. It's like having a lot of money with a low income. It's best in long term to have low money but a high income.

Ye, im considering it.. but before doin that, id like to be somehow sure that the deck im investin into its a positive investment for sure ^^. and tbh im stil not so sure about the RoL/Hope... nevertheless, i dont really see an alternative..just to mention, even sellin upped card i wud buy just a third of that Instosis deck..

Well, i'll get back to this topic tomorrow, good night

[xsindomanx]

Just a point.
If you hold your upped card, you don't invest your electrums in a deck that could give you a lot more electrums.
My suggestion is to sell all upped cards until you have a fully upped Arena deck and a fully upped FG farming deck. Just keep the rare ones.
After this, you can collect the upped cards again. But if you don't use them, their value is, in fact, lost. It's like having a lot of money with a low income. It's best in long term to have low money but a high income.

What you have suggested is the opposite of what many veterans suggest, as selling upgraded cards that you will buy from the bazaar and upgrade for a more expansive is a waste. However, I also believe that it is more important to consider the production possibility of selling a few cards now. For example, I recently sold off 2 unused upped cards in order to finish the upped instosis which is renounced to have about 10 upped cards per hour.

@VEgeFrosaken, here is another very good link. Make sure that you also READ THE SECOND PAGE!!!
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31072.0.html

[Van Helsing]

One of the nicest decks i've played.

I would do a 30 card deck, based on the clasic verision

-2 miracle
-1 lobotomizer
+3Sanctuary

Almost unbeatable deck.