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Naval Bait "Laced with Venom" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58175.msg1186848#msg1186848
« on: April 18, 2015, 09:59:26 am »
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What the heck it's named after?
Yakumo Yukari's attack in SWR (or was it Soku-exclusive?), translated in the fan translation patch as Aerial Bait "Laced with Venom".
The change into Naval Bait has nothing to do with KanColle, if you ask me.
What the heck is its agenda?
If you think the answer's "mono-Water rush", you're about 95% correct. The last 5% is slow CC with the toadies (and Flooding, if I manage to get that).
Note that, since deploying too much Flooding only adds upkeep, I decided against carrying too much of it or it'll clog my hand, which is an ugly thing for a (mainly-)rush deck.

I found this thing pretty stinky already, but I'd like to see if there's a way to make it even more stinky.
(Of course, against the likes of mono-Aether, there's no dancing around the damned Dimensional Shields T_T)
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Re: Naval Bait "Laced with Venom" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58175.msg1186859#msg1186859
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2015, 12:23:51 pm »
how would fog shield go vs flooding? the cost is cheap and since youre using that element anyway...

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Re: Naval Bait "Laced with Venom" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58175.msg1186860#msg1186860
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2015, 12:28:59 pm »
A couple of water pendulums for more CC and 2 ice shields / fogs instead of pillars wouldn't hurt.
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Re: Naval Bait "Laced with Venom" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58175.msg1186861#msg1186861
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2015, 12:31:49 pm »
Fog Shield, hm? Never tried that, I thought it costs over 4 :air when it only costs 2.
(Maybe one less pillar to fit that ... is that fine?)

I'm experimenting with Ice Shield myself. Gotta hurt when the shield got stolen, tho~

As for pends just to fuel the Toadfishes' CC, I think it's going to be a bit superfluous unless more Air cards are brought (which may change the agenda completely). Air Mark has served me sufficiently well. ;)
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Re: Naval Bait "Laced with Venom" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58175.msg1186874#msg1186874
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2015, 03:04:20 pm »
Fog Shield, hm? Never tried that, I thought it costs over 4 :air when it only costs 2.
(Maybe one less pillar to fit that ... is that fine?)

I'm experimenting with Ice Shield myself. Gotta hurt when the shield got stolen, tho~

As for pends just to fuel the Toadfishes' CC, I think it's going to be a bit superfluous unless more Air cards are brought (which may change the agenda completely). Air Mark has served me sufficiently well. ;)
Ditch the floodings for freeze, and drop a pillar or two for freeze as well. Synergizes well with toadfish, and gives you an extra layer of control
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Re: Naval Bait "Laced with Venom" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58175.msg1186883#msg1186883
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2015, 04:06:55 pm »
There don't need to be so many Ice Dragons, they're 10 :water for 9 attack, while two Toadfish are 10 :water for 12 attack. Just have one or two dragons, then fill in the rest with other misc cards that other people are mentioning.
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Re: Naval Bait "Laced with Venom" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58175.msg1186892#msg1186892
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2015, 05:05:44 pm »
Ditch the floodings for freeze, and drop a pillar or two for freeze as well. Synergizes well with toadfish, and gives you an extra layer of control

Gotcha. Flooding's out, although I'm currently trying to find out which is better, Fog or Ice Shield.
(Against Momentum, yeah, that stinks anyway, but an inflation or two should sort it out.)

There don't need to be so many Ice Dragons, they're 10 :water for 9 attack, while two Toadfish are 10 :water for 12 attack. Just have one or two dragons, then fill in the rest with other misc cards that other people are mentioning.

Well, the Ice Dragon also takes just one card to cast, while the Toadfishes ... two. Then again, the reason for so many Ice Dragons in the deck is that, in the end, it's a rush deck. With that many pillars, I've managed to summon the dragon by my fourth turn, sometimes even the third, quite a few times given good pillar openings when the toadies came up a bit late.

Aside of Flooding (which, I must admit, rarely became good asset), it has served me pretty well. Without the PITA known as Dimensional Shield, the match usually ends in no more 12 turns.
(Wings? At least my dragons can sort it out. Gravity Shield (the dragons are 9/6)? Poison the dragon once, then wait for riot. ;):v )
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Re: Naval Bait "Laced with Venom" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58175.msg1186907#msg1186907
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2015, 07:06:21 pm »
There don't need to be so many Ice Dragons, they're 10 :water for 9 attack, while two Toadfish are 10 :water for 12 attack. Just have one or two dragons, then fill in the rest with other misc cards that other people are mentioning.
You forget to mention that dragons only take one card slot, which is a big deal. 5 dragons in fine for the deck.
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Re: Naval Bait "Laced with Venom" https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58175.msg1187270#msg1187270
« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2015, 07:28:19 am »
I guess ... I'll go with Ice Shields to replace Flooding.

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It may need a bit of luck, but since I don't have Freeze in the deck, that thing is my best bet to have my toadies freeze an existing Maxwell's Demon without casualties (since everyone has their Attack higher than their HP).
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