can farm Elders, just need some feed back :D

[Mordlin]

(http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?mark=4su&deck=4t3z95ukz35ukz25ulz65um5uoz35upz25uq5urz35usz65utz961oz361q61r61s61tz4622z2624)

been doing fairly well with this build for some time now, just looking for some feed back and suggestions.

Edit for strat summary: I have a bunch of cheap monsters to start off with, the Devourers are meant to keep my opponent  at low quanta and gain more darkness, Fractal the devourers if i have to, use the vamps to keep my health, also Fractal these cards, use the Aether spells to slow the progress of the opponent's strat.

[Asmius]

....Reduce it to 30.

I'm sorry, that's just.. you need more dim shields, less lightnings, less silences, less vampires..

[Mordlin]

why is 30 cards better than 60?

[Asmius]

More electrum for better cards + you can get out specific cards faster + some things require 30-card decks.

[Mordlin]

oh ok i'll see if i can slim it up a bit, thanks for the help

[ratcharmer]

Smaller decks are generally better because it's less likely that you'll get a hand purely consisting of pillars, or alternately no pillars at all. It'll also save you some

The other thing I'm noting is that you have a mix of  and pillars but no pendulums. Switching out a couple pillars of each type for pendulums will make it less likely that you'll draw only one type of quanta (and then not be able to play half your cards). It also has the added benefit of making your deck more earthquake resistant.

For less general advice, we need to know a bit more. What is the deck going for? Generally for AI3 farming people want the fastest deck possible, yet you have a fair bit of stalling in yours. Are you trying to EM with the vamps? Or fractal devourer then EM with Drain life? It seems a bit unfocused right now.

[Asmius]

There are two GREAT elder farmers(the aether one can farm halfbloods, too, and a 50% EM on elders) that are cheapish. One's monoaether, one os mono-death(I use this one, easily farms T50s.)

[Mordlin]

he other thing I'm noting is that you have a mix of   and  pillars but no pendulums. Switching out a couple pillars of each type for  pendulums will make it less likely that you'll draw only one type of quanta (and then not be able to play half your cards). It also has the added benefit of making your deck more earthquake resistant.

nice tip thanks, and i guess i am just trying to keep the other guy at 0 quanta and drain his life when i have the like 100 

[Wonder]

Definitely try to reduce it to around 30-35 cards.
Having so many cards in a deck will increase the chances of a bad draw.

[Asmius]

Definitely try to reduce it to around 30-35 cards.
Having so many cards in a deck will increase the chances of a bad draw.

Think of it this way.

For every so and so cards you have, you have a 25% chance of a bad draw/starting hand. (Standard: 30 cards, 25%)

If you have the full sixty, you have a 75% chance, because of the so wide range/combos.

Having upped pillars/cards gives you a -1% of a bad draw, due to upped cards. (Standard: 1 Upped Pillar = -1% of a bad draw. Upped Card = -0.5-1% of a bad draw. (Depends if the upped version is lower cost.))

Your deck has about a 72% chance of a bad draw/starting hand. Having it upgraded completely would take tens of thousand of electrum, and it will still have about a 45% chance of a bad draw/bad hand.

The average deck for a new player is sloppy, misguided. Unless it's from the forums by a well-tested individual, or you got extremely lucky, the deck will be terrible sometimes, and 'decent' on others.

Rushes have low chances of a bad draw. For instance: 14 bone pillar, 6 poison, 4 bone dragons, 6 mummies (My personal deck.) Low chance of a bad draw, unless you get all creatures for your starting hand. GREAT chances of recovering. Personally, the one I use has a 90% win rate on AI3. Liturally. It's the actual fastest rush ever for AI3, by the study.

Any questions?

[teffy]

Yep.
What math is this ?

Decks without Hourglass, Precog should not have more than 36 cards. That´s my personal rule.

I would simply throw the aether part of your deck out, and maybe change the rest a bit.

Why not Aether.

Silence: A trap card in my eyes. If you don´t play it against a Miracle or have another evil trap, it´s almost useless.
Lightning: When aether is out, the higher chances for Drain Life kind of compensate the loss of this.
Dim Shield: Dusk Mantle is better. You could add another Dusk Mantle.
PU/Immortal: Not really necessary. The rest of your deck is mortal, the one immortal card doesn´t benefit from it´s immortality.
Fractal: You could maybe use better darkness creatures( a dragon more or so )

This would give you more predictable card draws. And you can use a Darkness Mark.