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Black Denial https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40636.msg503238#msg503238
« on: May 24, 2012, 05:28:03 pm »
Hi everyone.

I haven't found something similar in the forum so far so I thought I'd try to do a deck of my idea :)

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The purpose of the deck is to build up great denial with Pests and Black Hole. Meanwhile the :gravity quanta should be enough to play Armagio
and stall with him in case the opponent already had the quanta to play creatures. While cumulating :gravity sources and quanta you
play new armagios together with overdrive and take the advantage. Of course a complete lock-down is unlikely but a slowdown should be doable.
Though you have a slow start yourself xD

Anyway, I posted it just to know what you think about it :)
I had some ideas like cloak to use the spare :darkness or steal to eliminate some pillars and improve denial. Also I thought of using SoFo instead of
Armagios. I think it depends if you want the gravity pull ability or accretion, I think both work.

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Re: Black Denial https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40636.msg503259#msg503259
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2012, 06:42:21 pm »
Try darkness mark. And steals.
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Re: Black Denial https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40636.msg503262#msg503262
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2012, 06:49:30 pm »
maybe a couple of SoFo wich ARE  OP denial cards :( can help.
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Re: Black Denial https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40636.msg503270#msg503270
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2012, 07:39:25 pm »
I think you're overproducing darkness quanta here.  I can understand wanting to use the pends the way you are in hopes of a turn 1 or 2 pest, though.  I think you should either switch to darkness match, switch the pends over to gravity, and switch a few pends for gravity towers, or else utilize the darkness quanta somehow.  One good way would be shard of focus; you'd get permanent removal as well as more black holes, and soak up some of that excess dark quanta. Shards can also use overdrive, or, my personal favourite, gravity pull :)

Assuming you have the cards, perhaps something like this:

6x Pest
5x Black Hole
4x Shard of Focus
1x Gravity Pull
3x Overdrive
7x Gravity Tower
4x Gravity Pendulum
mark of darkness

Adjust as you see fit and according to your playstyle, of course.  Personally, I wouldn't even bother with darkness, but if you want to keep that, this could work.  Vampire dagger might also be a good addition if you can fit it in.

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Re: Black Denial https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40636.msg503689#msg503689
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2012, 03:20:38 pm »
Thanks everyone for your suggestions! :)

I reworked on it according to what you said.

The steal were a nice idea since they work faster than accretion (no turn delay) and you can make use of enemy perms.
Also the SoFo are good. With about three of them you can already destroy most towers and cover the rest with pests.
(1 SoFo destroys up to three 3 Towers which is equal to an earthquake).

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Your suggestion surely has a quick lock-down. Especially with 5 Black Holes. Only point missing is the VERY slow damage output.
You can have very bad draws. When I won it was most of the time with less than 5 cards left.
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That's why I wanted to make less use of overdrive since the whole damage would rely on a two card combo (SoFo + Overdrive).
So I decided to make us of the spare :darkness quanta and added some Dragons.
The following deck seems (according to the 5 tests I made so far) not well balanced yet, so I gotta work on it.

What do you think about it?

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Re: Black Denial https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40636.msg503694#msg503694
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2012, 03:26:52 pm »
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Less steals, SoFos will get rid of all the permanents you want. Pack some syphon life instead ^^
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Re: Black Denial https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40636.msg503706#msg503706
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2012, 03:47:08 pm »
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Less steals, SoFos will get rid of all the permanents you want. Pack some syphon life instead ^^

Would you recommend more SoFo's then? 3 isn't to probable to draw early... Maybe swap 2 Steals for SoFo and
the other 3 for Gravity Force so I have some CC? Though I'd need a dragon out then or a creature with overdrive...
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Re: Black Denial https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40636.msg503725#msg503725
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2012, 04:42:56 pm »
I'd actually thought about the obsidian dragons, but decided against recommending it, since I figured you'd have enough damage.  I know these sorts of decks can have a quite slow damage output, though.  I have an entropy/gravity deck based on discord/black hole, and it's got a really high win rate, but it takes forever to win, too :p

 

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