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Title: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: SnoWeb on January 05, 2012, 01:16:17 pm
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These decks were posted before the 1.32 game update and as a result may work very differently now.  Use at your own risk.

Zen: look for the inner void and sacrifice yourself to reach divinity.

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- 7 Towers or 4 Towers and 3 Nova
- 6 Shards of Divinity which combined to 6 Shards of Sacrifice keep you alive.
- 6 Shards of Void to grind the health
- 1 Dirk or 1 Long Sword for the finishing blow if the opponent has a reflecting shield (e.g. jade or mirror shield). Be aware, Dirk (5 damage) is free so it might screw the Mulligan further. 
- 1 Siphon Life for the finishing blow if the opponent has a damage blocking shield (e.g. phase shield or bone wall)
- 3 Protect artefact to make it irreversible

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- 6 Towers
- 6 Shards of Divinity which combined to 6 Shards of Sacrifice keep you alive.
- 6 Shards of Void to grind the health
- 2 Swords and 2 Siphon Life for the finishing blow (depending on the shield)
- 2 Protect artefact to make it irreversible
I wish SoSac could cost 1 quanta for it not to screw the mulligan.

Click on the pictures to enlarge.

Kill with SP (with 0 cards left):
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Kill with the Sword (and 0 cards left - notice that 3 SoV have been destroyed before I could PA it):
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EM against a pulveriser on turn 2:
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Stay Zen and it wins alone:
(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/10/08/58/46/poonhu10.jpg)

With 1 :darkness it would have been an EM against a deck which otherwise could have been quite hard:
(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/10/08/58/46/kefren10.jpg)

Yes poison me while you heal yourself:
(http://i48.servimg.com/u/f48/10/08/58/46/nco10.jpg)

This win against a mono-death gave me the special spin:
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Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-Grinder]
Post by: xdude on January 05, 2012, 01:46:40 pm
....really? lol.

If this deck ends up competitive I'll laugh so bad. And pwn noobs in CL with it.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-Grinder]
Post by: Dm on January 05, 2012, 01:47:59 pm
Reminds me of Thirst for Blood, but with QT's and Long Swords instead of Novas. I tried Novas on Plat and got some success, but lacked quanta most of the time. I modded a bit and made it so the final blow is 1 UN-UPPED Poison since it's fairly easy to get that (SoSac won't drain Death Quanta). Time to do some testing, will edit later. :o
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-Grinder]
Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on January 05, 2012, 01:49:53 pm
-pray to God-

please don't be another reason I should farm my butt off for another 2 SoSa


:P
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-Grinder]
Post by: SnoWeb on January 05, 2012, 02:02:12 pm
If this deck ends up competitive I'll laugh so bad. And pwn noobs in CL with it.
Yeah. It works. It's not as good as splat or other very efficient decks. it is however, very efficient against the healers. It brought me some upped rares in plat and gave me some fun in pvp2. Obviously it is very susceptible to bad draws. Still, killing a fire rush with a single siphon life is quite pleasurable.

I'll appreciate any suggestion to improve it ...
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-Grinder]
Post by: ralouf on January 05, 2012, 02:46:13 pm
I'll try it and give some feedback then it looks kinda good
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: mono-rainbow on January 05, 2012, 07:48:22 pm
looks very good. ;D
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: ralouf on January 05, 2012, 08:23:29 pm
After 30ish game played : SoV are damned weak, even with the OPness of SoSac this deck have some trouble winning some games, even with a good draw. Still it has a big advantage over other Platinum farmer : it's VERY good vs monodarkness, all deck with heal or purify and most deck with SoSac. And lt of people use it because they are good vs SPlat.

I think it's a good farmer choice currently because the metagame is good for this deck
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Elsy on January 09, 2012, 03:56:26 am
I'm not sure that the Long Swords do much of anything for you.  I guess having one around might be nice for those rare times you face a reflecting shield.  I'm also not sure how useful more than one Siphon Life is.  I'd probably go with something like:

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I like having the extra PA because there is a lot of PC out there and you often need one fairly early.  I'm still not sure if I'd rather just go with 8 Towers and forget the sword.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: ralouf on January 09, 2012, 05:38:35 am
Totally agree with this suggestion I always have too much kill in hand but always lack of tower an PA
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: SnoWeb on January 09, 2012, 07:22:19 am
I think it's a good farmer choice currently because the metagame is good for this deck
I agree. I is a good deck against the most spead strategies in plat. It tends however to produce bad draws.

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This might be a good way to decrease the bad draws. One more tower and one more PA are always good to take in Plat league (particularly against early Pulvi or EQ). Initially the second SL was here as a CC (or to help you gain some health to reach 40 HP). It appear to be more of a dead card. The second sword was there in case the first was destroyed. I guess if you play carefully, the second sword is not needed. I would not drop the last sword. As the weapon acts after the shard, it allows you to finish your opponent on the turn he reaches 6HP or less. With SL you need your opponent to reach the low health first, then on the next turn you can achieve him. All in all, your version appear to be better - Go for it.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: fbparis on January 09, 2012, 10:09:08 am
Why not replacing Long Sword by an Arsenic ?
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: ralouf on January 09, 2012, 10:33:42 am
Your post totally resume my thoughts about it.
I think I used SL as CC only once so this is way too much situationnal. I have pretty better results with this version.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: SnoWeb on January 09, 2012, 04:00:15 pm
Why not replacing Long Sword by an Arsenic ?
Long Sword is just here for the finishing blow. It is cheaper, paid with random quanta (so you can pay it from the mark) and give 6 damage. With arsenic you might not be able to pay for it (against pests or BH). However, it brings you a couple of poison hits which might help you at the end and death quanta are the only retained after SoSac. Its a matter of taste. I prefer the simplicity and security of long sword ...
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: taejin on January 12, 2012, 05:08:57 pm
I really like this deck.

I added sundials to help stall (to give more turns for the SoV to work) and give a chance for the opponent to add more creatures in between SoSa (for a better chance for EM).  It seems, to me, to have a better win rate (although, I have no definitive proof) and an EM almost every time.

Although it makes the deck 35 cards, you will sometimes have a :light to draw another card.  But, this also takes it out of Duo-Decks  and brings it into Trio & Quartet.

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I have one Long Sword, one Nightmare, and one Siphon Life, for the finishing blow depending on what the opponent has for defense.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: ralouf on January 13, 2012, 07:11:54 am
SL and sword are enough to kill your opponent, whatever he have for defense
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: SnoWeb on January 13, 2012, 07:22:43 am
I agree SL + LS can kill in every situation. Nightmare is just redundant with SL but is less good in many situations.

The sundials are a good idea but they touch to a weak point of the deck: the Mulligan. Indeed with the 7 tower version (from Elsy) you increase a bit the chance toward pillars versus SoSac in the process of stopping the Mulligan. In your version however, you increase the chance (6+5 vs 7 on 35 cards) to start with no pillar. With a good start you might survive better but you'll increase the risk of failed Mulligan. Playing the Sundials non-upgraded is not a viable solution either because of the low amount of :time generated in this deck.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: ralouf on January 13, 2012, 07:37:58 am
also sunidal make you more vulnerable to PC, while you most of the time didn't care before
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Elsy on January 17, 2012, 05:48:09 pm
I just wanted to pop in and say that after a fair bit of playing with each, I agree with SnoWeb that the sword is totally worth having in there at the expense of a tower.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Jenkar on January 17, 2012, 10:00:41 pm
I be hazing crazy laughter.

First, 1hp guys miracling is FUN.

Second, this :

(http://i.imgur.com/VmLcK.png)
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Toimu13 on February 02, 2012, 06:35:18 pm
I'm using a version of this for my Arena deck, it is currently 2nd in Gold.

6x SoV & 6x SoSa.
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Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: SnoWeb on February 03, 2012, 08:31:22 am
I'm using a version of this for my Arena deck, it is currently 2nd in Gold.
This is a good version. I just find the use of Morning glory risky. The weapon is just here for the killing blow. No need to pay for its immortality. A mild denial deck might prevent you to play your un-destroyable weapon whereas it will take a very drastic one to prevent you to play a long sword.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: taejin on February 04, 2012, 05:30:04 am
I know that I am going to screw myself over for giving this advice.  If you are going to use this deck for your Arena deck, you may want to swap out one or both of the SL.  The AI doesn't really use it on the opponent, only on the opponent's creatures.  (At least from my experience testing out my areana decks.)

I usually include a Nightmare (which is tough because there are many decks that have Sanctuary, and also the AI likes to use it on creatures too). And a Poison is also a good card  to get that last hp off the opponent.

Any others?
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: zhangvict on February 06, 2012, 03:18:02 pm
I suggest investigating mirror shield + SL instead of longsword. If the opponent has a reflection shield, then you can just siphon yourself and it will reflect damage onto the opponent. Not sure how much more useful that will be, but it makes it more fun  :P
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: zhangvict on February 16, 2012, 01:47:32 pm
^ nevermind about mirror shield. It's unecessary risk.

Just posting to thank you so much Snow for making this deck. After farming my butt off to get the required shards, I won 5k electrum from a single game from a crysora/purify deck.

The most awesome thing about this deck is that you have complete control when to kill the opoment. In this game, I chose to stall even after the opponent had 1hp, because I wanted to get all my SoD's out for a 196 hp EM. It worked :)

I actually used 5 SoV's because I didn't have 6, and replace the longsword with a dirk. It's free and will still hit 2hp over diamond shield, which seems like a safer option than the 1 random quanta costing longsword to me.

5k electrum win:(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7066/6886204099_539bac137d_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: SnoWeb on February 17, 2012, 07:26:34 am
^ nevermind about mirror shield. It's unecessary risk.
Good that you reasoned it by yourself.

[...] I [...] replace the longsword with a dirk. It's free and will still hit 2hp over diamond shield, which seems like a safer option than the 1 random quanta costing longsword to me.
This makes perfect sense, yes. I didn't think of it because I never thought of upgrading the dagger. I'm glad to see that this deck could still be improved, thanks. I'll post the latest version in the OP.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: zhangvict on February 17, 2012, 07:49:20 am
[...] I [...] replace the longsword with a dirk. It's free and will still hit 2hp over diamond shield, which seems like a safer option than the 1 random quanta costing longsword to me.
This makes perfect sense, yes. I didn't think of it because I never thought of upgrading the dagger. I'm glad to see that this deck could still be improved, thanks. I'll post the latest version in the OP.
But it also should be taken into consideration that the zero cost dirk could be bad for the mulligan. It's probably individual preference for whether you want a (very slightly) better initial draw, or be safer down the road with the ability to kill with zero quanta (this was particularly useful for me against pestal decks that stole my quantum towers). I chose the second option.

But thinking of mulligan, it may actually be advantageous to draw the dirk in the first hand, if the opponent has no PC or you have excess PA's.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Sevs on February 23, 2012, 09:51:27 am
I finally got the shards to try this and for the first 10 or so games i found it hard to get an earth quanta to stick to pa anything with BH, pests, EQ, Explosions, and steals hurting a low quanta draw since you usually draw 1 tower if any.

Do you have any suggestions?
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: ralouf on February 23, 2012, 09:58:39 am
Actually apart from praying to get earth quanta I didn't found any other way to play PA. Moreover QT are very trolling.. I found myslef having 7 of each quanta (at least) and 0 earth for PA.
Moreover playing PA on QT is most of the time a good moove.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Jenkar on February 23, 2012, 10:00:13 am
-3 QTs + 3 (unupped) novas makes one happy.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Sevs on February 23, 2012, 05:42:58 pm
-3 QTs + 3 (unupped) novas makes one happy.
Wow thank you it helps this deck significantly
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: zhangvict on February 23, 2012, 05:47:37 pm
-3 QTs + 3 (unupped) novas makes one happy.
That would make this a trio, and hence necessitate a thread move to a different section!
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Jenkar on February 23, 2012, 05:54:16 pm
-3 QTs + 3 (unupped) novas makes one happy.
That would make this a trio, and hence necessitate a thread move to a different section!
It's just a variation (cal's iirc), and could be included as such in notes. Though if it is a ''better version'', it should be moved in trios as you said.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Aves on February 25, 2012, 01:57:51 am
50 % shot of winning, 50 % shot of losing. I wonder how this works as a FG grinder.

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Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: SnoWeb on February 29, 2012, 12:03:37 pm
-3 QTs + 3 (unupped) novas makes one happy.
Good addition - put it in the OP.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: pocator on May 27, 2012, 11:16:11 am
i've tried this deck, but loosing 80% of the games (about 200 games in gold+plat)

i don't know what i'm doing wrong. i have either a bad draw, or my SoV are destroyed. If I have SoV i don't draw PA or don't have enough quanta for it.

I can't recommend this deck, SPlat is way more reliable and effective
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: furballdn on September 18, 2012, 05:24:48 am
Sorry for the necromancy and all that yeah, yeah.

Zen is a very fun and powerful deck. Playing around with unupped shards (since I don't have 6 upped SoVs), yet it's still able to net wins quite nicely. I personally used an arsenic and also added a mirror shield. Sadly, with so much SoFo, it's not as powerful as I'd like it to be, and the fact that PAs are very troll don't help. Still, great deck that I only now got to trying out. Another option would be to use sundials to stall, and that is pretty powerful, as evidenced to a 13-0 arena deck.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: PoLdeR on January 30, 2013, 09:01:19 pm
This is the best void deck ive seen so far...

Im playing this in pvp1:
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Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Farin44 on March 18, 2013, 04:01:33 am
Zen takes time to get going, but once it does, it is an awesome deck. SoV is so underused, so it's great to see uses for this undervalued card.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: runesword03 on April 18, 2013, 10:35:27 am
too bad this deck i think isn't much effective now compared to 1.31...
i was going to save for this deck, but to no avail
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Ghaladh on July 13, 2015, 09:32:02 pm
This deck still appears in the community recommended decks to farm Gold and Platinum. It's one of the least effective I ever used so far. While it's fun to use, this is not worth the recommendation. At best it might work in PvP... or AI4 with some luck; trying to kill anything with more than 150 HP is not worth the time spent trying (and very likely failing).
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: willng3 on July 13, 2015, 09:39:26 pm
This deck still appears in the community recommended decks to farm Gold and Platinum. It's one of the least effective I ever used so far. While it's fun to use, this is not worth the recommendation.
It appears in the CRD Gold/Platinum thread because it was submitted there for consideration a long time ago when it was more viable (and submitted decks are not removed excluding extraneous situations such as Shards being changed from Other to their respective Elements). It is not listed as one of the top decks recommended by the community.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Ghaladh on July 13, 2015, 09:41:29 pm
This deck still appears in the community recommended decks to farm Gold and Platinum. It's one of the least effective I ever used so far. While it's fun to use, this is not worth the recommendation.
It appears in the CRD Gold/Platinum thread because it was submitted there for consideration a long time ago when it was more viable (and submitted decks are not removed excluding extraneous situations such as Shards being changed from Other to their respective Elements). It is not listed as one of the top decks recommended by the community.
Is there a thread with the top decks? :o Would you be so kind to share the link? I need some inspiration to create my next farming deck.
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: rob77dp on July 13, 2015, 09:44:19 pm
This deck still appears in the community recommended decks to farm Gold and Platinum. It's one of the least effective I ever used so far. While it's fun to use, this is not worth the recommendation.
It appears in the CRD Gold/Platinum thread because it was submitted there for consideration a long time ago when it was more viable (and submitted decks are not removed excluding extraneous situations such as Shards being changed from Other to their respective Elements). It is not listed as one of the top decks recommended by the community.
Is there a thread with the top decks? :o Would you be so kind to share the link? I need some inspiration to create my next farming deck.

CRD - short for Community Recommended Decks (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/community-recommended-decks/)

EDIT: Also, there is this Arena deck investigation thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/farming-studies-and-statistics/decks-used-against-arena-with-stats-1-32/msg1030568/#msg1030568) - which it appears you've seen before by your having posted in it. :)
Title: Re: Zen [Duo-Earth-Darkness][18 Shards][Plat-PVP2-Fun-Grinder]
Post by: Ghaladh on July 13, 2015, 09:47:24 pm
Nevermind, I had one of my blonde moments. I realized only now that the top decks are those appearing in Kev's posts while the others are simply player's submissions for evaluation. ;D
I can be truly dumb sometimes, don't mind me! lol
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