Water+ Light. What good decks have ever come from the combination of these 2?

[neuroleptics]

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Player
Wins: 83
Winrate: 83 %
Average TTW: 11.783132530120483
EMs: 9
EM rate: 10.843373493975903 %

Computer
Wins: 17
Winrate: 17 %
Average TTW: 18.294117647058822
EMs: 3
EM rate: 17.647058823529413 %

the win-rate was not good enough against AI3

Now, i really wanna test out something i've never done before. Go beyond 30 cards!

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Player
Wins: 79
Winrate: 79 %
Average TTW: 13
EMs: 4
EM rate: 5.063291139240507 %

Computer
Wins: 21
Winrate: 21 %
Average TTW: 16.476190476190474
EMs: 1
EM rate: 4.761904761904762 %

And that got worse

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This is better, yet, i don't see the result being over 90%

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Player
Wins: 80
Winrate: 80 %
Average TTW: 16.425
EMs: 19
EM rate: 23.75 %

Computer
Wins: 20
Winrate: 20 %
Average TTW: 16.6
EMs: 2
EM rate: 10 %

And even this too has let me down

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Player
Wins: 82
Winrate: 82 %
Average TTW: 17.085365853658537
EMs: 22
EM rate: 26.829268292682926 %

Computer
Wins: 18
Winrate: 18 %
Average TTW: 16.38888888888889
EMs: 0
EM rate: 0 %

Conclusion: Either of these 2 elements can be extremely useful if combined with other elements but not together

[dragonsdemesne]

I did a silly one a few months back in the arena with nymph's tears and light pendulums to make a giant stall based on light nymphs, and all of light's healing cards.  It didn't do that well in the hands of the AI, since it probably mistimed a lot of stuff, but it might be a fun one to try.  Also, the light and water nymphs got huge attack bonuses since I posted that deck, so it can win by damage rather than just stalling, too.  You could also try adding water freeze effects, like squid or permafrost shield to this if you can find room.  It should make for something different, at least.

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28528.msg424170/topicseen.html#msg424170

I might actually have to try this... I kinda like the idea of giant nymphs that heal me...

[neuroleptics]

That's a smart 1, i totally forgot the existence of nymph's tear. Ya, both elements can be combined into mega stalling deck. Thanks for the advice

[eaglgenes101]

What about a permafrost shield + sanc deckout stall?

[neuroleptics]

What about a permafrost shield + sanc deckout stall?

Just the 2 of this + bolts+ SoD, i've tried that too, but the pathetic win-rate let me down

[ddevans96]

Your conclusion is skewed because it's based off of using botched domination decks and awkward attempts at stalls against an AI that's meant to be rushed. If you built decks like that with pretty much any combo, you'd 'fail' against ai3.

[eaglgenes101]

You know more about your than the AI does. Try playing it yourself.

[ddevans96]

You know more about your than the AI does. Try playing it yourself.

I'm assuming that's in response to me, in which case it makes zero sense.

[neuroleptics]

well, the fact is that i played at least 5 matches against AI's before considering that the game simulator's calculations are almost correct. My other stalls works better than these 2 elements combined. I was wondering why such combinations are rare in the forum, figured it out that perfect combinations are hard between and . I'm not saying that it's impossible, but even so, i had a better version but still, not suitable against the arena's minus the bronze and silver.
 

[Annele]

Try this:

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[furballdn]

Not much I can really think of between light and water. Either a NT deck like Annele's or something focused on stalling (Ice shield+sancts+ice bolt?).

[neuroleptics]

yup, that was a good deck, unfortunately, AI doesn't know how to play. As far as using NT is concerned, after dragonsdemesne posted, i had this

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It seems yours is more efficient, using just NT and the towers, but against aether's lobotomizer + shield......and their immortals are just headache
and as justaburd suggested ...... i think i shall replace the AA with miracles