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The quest to EM Silver fast. [completed] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1112836#msg1112836
« on: December 01, 2013, 07:29:52 am »
Having all cards except 5 unupped SoI and wanting to grind up score as well, I find myself grinding Silver Arena as the best target. My goal to find a fast EM deck for this began with Freebirds and continued with Neo-USEM, Peggy rush with Miracles, Monoair with splashed Heals and I've now arrived at a controlbow that gives good results. When going defensive, the combination of Miracle+another healing card seems necessary to get consistent EM's against the high offence of Silver. However, I'm looking for the best FAST EM deck since I want fast special spins too.

DBHbows are either too slow or don't prevent/heal enough damage.

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Healbow is nice and all, but I find it somewhat unreliable and just a bit slow. This Grabbow has been getting me a lot of fast EM's. Might cut one Heal for something, but there's no cheap, big damage card that fits well. MP does little damage and Crawler, Peggy, Wyrm and Phasie are a bit expensive. MP can soak up CC though. Rage Elixir is also an option as it works both with SoFo and as CC (got the idea as AI LS'd my SoFo). Gravity Force is always a strong pick.
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Re: The quest to EM Silver fast. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1112856#msg1112856
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2013, 11:57:38 am »
Did you consider using a Vader Sader build? I've never tried it against Silver, but I expect it would do pretty well.

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Re: The quest to EM Silver fast. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1112862#msg1112862
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2013, 01:19:43 pm »
Aye, I mentally discarded all vampiric decks because it's very hard to EM with them after the damage/healing/end turn priority changed to damage -> end turn -> healing. Basically you'd have to end the PREVIOUS turn before you intend to win with 100 HP and then somehow not take any damage during the last turn, or heal up to full with vampiric attacks before you deal the final blow. The only way to reliably EM with Vader Sader would be to use Miracle on the last turn and pay for Luci with Darkness quanta, just like I did with the Peggy rush (except with :air).

If vampiric EM worked as it used to, I'd be having a ball with Monodark and even more fun with Dragoncloak with LS and Chimera. Actually.. I think I'll look into a Dragonbow anyway. Same principle as my triple double with Phasies and HG, and they're so much fun to play.
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Re: The quest to EM Silver fast. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1115031#msg1115031
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2013, 07:41:13 pm »
Have you considered a amethyst tower+supernova+antimatter deck (would need 2 heals too to be reliable, probably)...?

Or PSNBows (probably with life for moar healing, with light for miracles or with aether for more dim shields)

^^I never tried any of that, so I can't say how that would work.
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Re: The quest to EM Silver fast. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1115033#msg1115033
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2013, 08:16:12 pm »
Have you considered a amethyst tower+supernova+antimatter deck (would need 2 heals too to be reliable, probably)...?

Or PSNBows (probably with life for moar healing, with light for miracles or with aether for more dim shields)

^^I never tried any of that, so I can't say how that would work.

In a deck with creatures that synergize well with it, Adrenaline x6 can be helpful in both killing fast and EM'ing if you Adrenaline an AM'd opposing creature at the right time... food for thought by those better at deckbuilding than I.
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Re: The quest to EM Silver fast. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1115092#msg1115092
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2013, 12:45:18 am »
try this :

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It's a mod of Italian Fury and it's really fast. with 5 SoBras and 5 Sundials it's easy to draw the entire deck in 9/10 turns.

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Re: The quest to EM Silver fast. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1158530#msg1158530
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2014, 11:36:38 am »
@Faro: Nice deck indeed! Most of the time this is an OTK.

@Higurashi: I like the rainbow approach very much. It's quite stable though a bit slower than other decks maybe. I removed the Forest Spectre and added a Gargoyle. As it is it's too heavy on :life. But now it's too heavy on :earth. Mmmh, I think I will tune it a bit further.

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Re: The quest to EM Silver fast. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1158540#msg1158540
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2014, 12:30:09 pm »
Something like this maybe:

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If you think SoSe is not reliable enough you could do -3 SoSe, +1 heal, + hourglass and something else.

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Re: The quest to EM Silver fast. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1158562#msg1158562
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2014, 03:23:48 pm »
the 3rd card could be a flesh recluse ian.

What about bravery+sosac decks? or afla+sosac decks?

Or a darkness/life duo with vampiric damage and some nightmares+improved heals?
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Re: The quest to EM Silver fast. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1158659#msg1158659
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If you exclude the four wins against less than 100 health decks, the win rate is acceptable (22/25), and the EM rate is above average for just about anything that I'm aware of.

The secret is in tactical use of the siphon life's. (Even your own creatures are candidates to guarantee an elemental mastery.)



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Normally I wouldn't include a nymph in a deck, but I figure Higurashi has one (at least).

No need to run any tests, as I know this deck performs well. I must have played thousands of games with it by now.

I use it quite commonly to run through silver, and am not afraid to use it in gold or platinum arenas. It's also my "goto" deck against Half-Bloods.

Judicial use of the black nymph's ability, and tactical use of the siphon life's, are what enables a higher than average EM rate.



With both decks being mono darkness, they likely aren't as fast as the ones in the above posts, but for myself personally, I prefer win rate over speed.
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Re: The quest to EM Silver fast. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1158831#msg1158831
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2014, 09:03:53 pm »
@iancudorinmarian: OK, here I am - nOOb alert. (Because I have to invest a little to get those cards and I want to be sure a priori, you know ...)

Why or how do you get EM with this deck? Two heals are 40 HP but you often eat more than that. Wings do block damage but not all of it - as Phase Shield does. Archangel cannot heal you ... or ... can it? Or is it more like: "Well, I don't exactly aim for EM but with two heals there is a chance at least"

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Re: The quest to EM Silver fast. [completed] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52686.msg1158896#msg1158896
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2014, 12:21:59 am »
It defends a lot of stuff and then has 2 heals in the deck, allowing for high chances of EMs. The deck is more so aimed for speed with a chance to EM though, which is essentially perfect for this thread. Wings, against most decks though, does block a substantial amount. No, archangel can not directly heal the elemental spirit, but it can heal creatures, like the lava destroyer. Archangel also gives a great amount of attack to.
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