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Various PvP decks (league) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54929.msg1144451#msg1144451
« on: July 08, 2014, 02:53:46 am »
Season 1/2014 of leagues are over, and I usually post my decks afterwards.  I'm not going to post all of the decks I've already posted in previous season threads, but I will post the new decks I used, and a bit of my thinking behind them.

BL:

Lightning Devtal (4 wins 1 loss)
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This one really surprised me; it did a lot better than my previous devtals, so I'm including it here, even though it's an old idea.  That little bit of CC was enough to let it beat decks it had absolutely no business beating, like disquake and grabbows.  I made the quanta split as earthquake-proof as possible, with one-ofs of the aether pillar/pend and obsidian pillar.  The lone loss was to treebeard using a nymph's tears death duo; skull shield hosed my vampires, my lightnings were too small to kill his nymphs, and I never got the dragon.

Pdims (1 win 1 loss)
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I don't remember if I've posted this one before or not, but I haven't seen anyone else try it before.  It beat a SoP/squid duo with discord, and lost to adenavamps with steals.  The idea was to mount a slow but steady offense of poison and immortals while hiding behind a solid defense of dimshields and SoSas.  The mark is enough to cast early poisons and the arsenic easily enough, and provides just enough quanta to chain SoSas later on.

Blue Nymph Mindgate "The Deck" (6 wins 1 loss, counting all mods this season)
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Essentially "The Deck", but with an alternate win condition in the quinted blue nymphs.  The emerald shields were there because this was used in shardless matches, and usually I use shard of divinity to avoid OTKs.  Plus, with the extra mindgates, an aether mark was needed.  I tried it with miracles as well; I think I took them out because I didn't have a light mark, and couldn't play them reliably without one.  The sole loss came versus Zawadx's disquake, when I got a 1 pillar draw.

CL:

40 card miracle pdials (3 wins 1 loss)
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Yes... because pdials wasn't annoying enough, I modded it to include miracles.  The slightly larger size also prevented deckout in at least one game.  The sole loss came to mathman101's pestal, essentially a hard counter to the low quanta production of this deck.

Dial '3' for fire (0 wins 3 losses)
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While this deck was a total catastrophe at 0-3, I include it to show what didn't work.  The plan was to stall with sundials until enough quanta was obtained for the OTK, which ideally would happen sooner by drawing faster via dials.  The lone mirror shield provided a win condition against another mirror shield.  It lost one game to a DBH with SoFos (jen-i), lost another game to a speedbow with CC (mathman101), and lost to a fractal graviton deck (krzyeiksxtd), although that last my notes say I bottomdecked the sundials, so it might've been a bit of bad luck.  Still, while the deck has one solid focus, it has no versatility and is too easily disrupted by PC or denial, and couldn't even really stand up to a rush properly, so I abandoned the idea.

Patient Hopefuls (3 wins 2 losses)
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This was a really fun deck.  With 18 creatures, shard of patience gets real deadly real fast, and with 12 of them being light-emitting, hope is quite strong even without mitosis or fractal.  Dials help stall in the early game, as well as draw into the SoP and hope you will likely need to win.  The lone sky blitz was as an additional OTK weapon to catch people offguard, and again, with the dials, the odds of having it when needed were increased, and with shard of patience, it was a very serious threat when drawn.  It was 31 cards to try and avoid deckout situations where a gravity shield or other nuisance came down (and because I didn't know what to cut!) and I actually did win one game via deckout, so it was worth it.  It lost to a PSNbow (jen-i) and a SoSebow (treebeard) and defeated an entropy/nymph's tears deck (ddevans, this was the deckout game), mitojade rustler (mathman101) and immorush (brandenc6).

Shardless timebow (11 wins 3 losses)
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I love my 60 card decks... :p  The upgraded nature of CL let me try a version of 'the deck' that I feel would have failed in BL; it was successful here because it was able to produce enough time quanta and light quanta, whereas in BL, the hourglasses would cost twice as much to use, and the miracles would cost 3 more, so without a light mark they would be hard to play in time.  The time mark also meant that I had quanta to use golden nymphs, as well as a lone fractal for them, or whatever else my opponent deigned to play for me or give me via mindgate.  I was also able to use firestorms, whereas I feel that rain of fire is just a touch too slow to work in the unupped version of this deck.  I included two protect artifacts because I was facing a lot more PC than I saw in BL.  The three losses were to a red nymph SoFo deck (blacksmith) where I had 3 towers in the first 30 cards, and twice in a row against a speedbow MegroN used; I had a bad draw in the first game, and immediately reused the same deck in the next game, thinking to give it a proper chance, and got slaughtered again.  It defeated chaos dunes, a monofire rush, two different people's DBH speedbow, a voodoo rage PU deck, an aether mark 'the deck', a monofire phoenix/nymph deck, a monolight rush, a quinted blue nymph bow, an entropy/water PSN, and a 31 card control SN-bow.

The fractal and golden nymphs were the biggest differences between this and some of my other 60 card stalls.  I think that caught quite a few people offguard.  8hp nymphs are hard to kill, and those that survive are giving me that precog every turn, giving me card advantage (basically instant win if maintained while using this sort of deck) and letting me know if my opponent had any threats in hand, like OTK potential, so that I could improve and adjust my play accordingly.

Octopus Catatitan (0 wins 3 losses)
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This was really cool (or so I thought) but it just couldn't win any games.  It's your standard catatitans, but with some octopus for control, as well as to enable catapulting frozen titans (+50% damage from catapult if the creature is frozen, for those that didn't know)  It was also a deck that was only possible upgraded, where animate weapons are 'other' and where the upped gravity quanta is enough that I can use pendulums for water generation without impeding the gravity part of the deck.  I got trashed by three different rushes, a DBH speedbow (jen-i), a SNbow using web and wings (pest.) and a charger/otyugh rush with rewinds (AW not like rewind!) off of a time mark (rem4life)

Fractal Blitz (6 wins 3 losses)
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This was my favourite new deck of the season.  Out of the six wins, -three- of them were turn four kills.  With the right draw, this thing could really put out the damage fast.  With the wrong draw... it was a sitting duck.  Things could go from disastrous to OTK-time with a single topdeck.  I deliberately used way more aether quanta than QI would indicate is needed, because you want to win fast and win hard, and if you don't win right away, because there is no control, stall, or healing whatsoever, you will almost certainly lose.  I also made a point not to use this deck more than once against the same person, because a good portion of the deck's effectiveness came from the opponent not quite knowing what was going on until it was too late.  Lots of times I'd topdeck the last part of a combo, sometimes one turn away from death, and 'gg' my probably rather confused opponent sitting pretty at around 80 life and looking at just a few damselflies and a nearly empty hand, and then whip out seven fractalled ball lightnings and a sky blitz and leave them wondering what the hell just happened.

Fractal Ruby dim/firestall (3 wins 3 losses)
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This was probably my second favourite new deck of the season.  On paper it looks really good; lots of CC, some PC, dimstall, OTK potential, and fractal dragon.  In practice, it just didn't seem to work quite right.  I think the biggest problem was that there was too much demand on fire quanta, and I often found it took too long to be able to OTK.  I think I also had some bad luck with this deck, based on my notes, as well as one extremely stupid game-costing play, so I would definitely give it a chance in the future, possibly with slight mods.  It beat an immorush (pest.), a devquake (rem4life), and a bonebolt (ddevans96), and lost to a speedbow, a monodeath rush, and a 31 card SN control (jen-i).  (that last one was the one where I made a stupid play, costing the game)

Chaos Dunes (1 win 3 losses)
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Jen-i used something kind of like this against me one game, so, being the shameless dragon I am, I stole it.  I didn't have too much success with it, though.  It beat an immorush (pest.) and lost to psiontal (rob77dp), a DBH speedbow (rem4life) and a NT/discord duo (jen-i).  (must've been revenge for my stealing his deck...)

Light/aether stall (2 wins 1 loss)
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A stall with an alternate damage win condition, this was theoretically an interesting deck, but fairly boring to actually see in action.  Stall, stall, stall, then either win by deckout, or win with fractal nymphs or morning glory chipping away at them.  I beat a ghostmare (megron) and a fractix (rem4life) and lost to a 30 card SN-bow control deck (jen-i).  (that deck was really good btw, jen-i; I might steal it next season :p )

Deck records:
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Disquake 16W 12L
Bonebolt 2W 2L
Monoentropy 2W 2L
Catatitan 2W 1L
Sundial 'the deck' 1W
Shardless 'the deck' 6W 4L
Firestall SoG 1L
Monotime pharaoh/SoR 1W
Shardless monotime pharaoh 1W 1L
Grav mark shardless pharaoh monotime 1W 1L
UG monoair fog version 1L
UG monoair wings version 5W 1L
The Real Neptune (SoP/trident with warden/squid) 1W
Phoenixbolt (monofire phoenix rush with fahren and firebolts) 11W 3L
Devtal 1L
Lightning devtal 4W 1L
The So(a)Pbox 1W (novabow with 1 quanta cost creatures and SoPs)
Adrenastaves 3L
Psiontal 2W 2L
Pdims 1W 1L
Monoearth control 1W
Mod of monoearth control 2W 1L
Red nymph dolls 2W 1L
Bonebolt, fire version 4W 1L
The other guy's deck 1W (5x mindgate 'the deck' with aether mark)
Blue nymph mindgate weissman 6W 1L (had 3 different versions I tested)
Monoaether rush 1L
It's a trap 1L
500hp EM shardless 1L
aether/air shield/cc stall 1L
40 card death/light poison/heal shardless stall 1L

Other decks were used, but they were speedbuilt for various rules or bans, and thus not representative of the meta as a whole.

CL:

Strange SNbow 1L
Upped monoentropy 5W 1L
SoI shard golem 2W 2L
Free Chaos Wyrms 2W 1L
Winged shardless chaos wyrms 1W
Ghostmare 2L
Bonebolt with spidertal 1W 2L
firestall SoG 5W 1L
firestall sanc 2L
Catatitan with SoFo 1L
Swallow 2W
Upped disquake 1W
Shardless upped disquake 4W 1L
Phoenixbolt 1W 1L
500hp EM 1L
40 card miracle pdials 3W 1L
40 card monolight stall 1L
The upped deck sharded 2W
Upped So(a)pBox 1W
Dial '3' for fire 3L
Patient Hopefuls 3W 2L
Shardless timebow 11W 3L
Octopus Catatitans 3L
earth NT/poseidon 1W 2L
Psiontal 2W
Fractal Blitz 6W 3L
Fractal ruby/dim firestall 3W 3L
Chaos dune 1W 3L
Sofo DBH 4W
Shardless DBH 2W 1L
Explosion Adrenastaves 1L
Shardless speedbow 1L
Monodark dragon/nymph/siphon 1L
Light/aether stall 2W 1L
Monotime shardless rush 1W 1L
Red nymph dolls 1L

Again, some other speedbuilt decks were used, but under custom rules or bans, so they weren't representative of the meta.

Match records:
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1-1 dawn_to_dusk
4-6 jen-i
5-0 Zawadx
1-1 fippe94
3-0 danieela
1-1 rob77dp
3-1 mathman101
1-0 andretimpa
1-0 yawnchainhow
2-0 UndeadSpider
3-0 treebeard xiii
0-2 worldwideweb
1-0 Terran 3
1-1 dm1321
1-0 Afdarenty 2
2-1 MegroN
1-2 Vangelios
0-1 VevoGold
0-1 Krzysiekxd (my fingers implode whenever I try to type this)
2-1 theelkspeaks
1-0 waterknight2012
1-0 Lucifer98
2-0 Boa<3hancock (blacksmith)

CL:
5-1 mathman101
4-2 ddevans96
2-1 brandenc6
1-0 fippe94
0-2 danieela
1-0 rob77dp
5-5 jen-i
1-0 dark ripper
0-2 Odii Odsen
2-0 treebeard xiii
3-0 reyang/pest
0-2 Krzysiekxd
0-1 Afdarenty 2
1-2 MegroN
1-1 Boa<3hancock
5-0 rem4life
0-1 ninja of lemons / eljoemo
1-0 Vangelios

Shoutouts:
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Jen-i - for being the only opponent to complete 10 matches with me this season, and doing it in BOTH leagues, as well as giving me the most losses in both leagues, and for doing it with some really unique decks I haven't seen anywhere else, and for beating me in the BL standings.

Afdarenty - What the hell?  World champion 2014, #1 in CL, -and- #1 in BL, giving the top prize to Jen-i only because Afdarenty is too 1337-hardcore-beastmode to be allowed to have both first place prizes.  Very nice :)

theelkspeaks - I cannot believe how much this guy improved this season.  He very quickly became an utter pvp terror in BL, and he earned a mark to prove it.  Watch out for this guy in the future... he's probably going to do even better next season.

zanzarino - Because awesome game and awesome server fix midseason.

Justaburd - No 'just a' about this guy.  Our tireless league organizer.

me - (am I allowed to do this?) Because I met my goal I set beforehand of placing top 3 in both leagues, albeit just barely.


One other thing I wanted to add.  This was my sixth (!) league season, and this was by FAR the hardest of them all, including my first one where I was still learning how to pvp properly.  The skill level of players in both leagues was higher than any other season I've participated in.  Good job everyone!

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Re: Various PvP decks (league) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=54929.msg1144454#msg1144454
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2014, 03:07:30 am »
Nice to see that I had second most matches with you in BL. You were also the only top-level player I hadn't beat even once. I'll beat you one day, Dragons! ;)

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