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Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280104#msg1280104
« on: September 08, 2018, 05:20:34 pm »
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Patient Wardens is a very strong strategy. While I don't think it is by any means the only use for SoP, it's a strong one. I believe that Shard of Patience is one of the few globally usable card in elements for ALL elements, people just don't use it right.
Now, many elements have discovered their own use for Shard of Patience in war, with excellent results. Personal favourites involve Darkness' Patient Pest bow, Times DeVu+Ready Scarabs and air's squids and damsels. However, Patient wardens has so far been the domain of Water and Earth. Now, I thought long and hard about whether I should share this, because it could help other War teams to develop. However, while the new WMs have not yet been chosen, I want it to be clear that SoP is excellent for ALL elements, making it balanced for war. (unlike SoFree which is essentially only usable by air, and ludicrously OP.

These decks all assume current war 'Lieutenant' deckbuilding, with 50% in element, 12 upgrades, 4 of which must be in element.

 :entropy :entropy :entropy :entropy :entropy

Easy Entropeasy

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 :death :death :death :death :death

I like this one. Bonewalls are just gravy, but you could easily make it rushier with death's other cheapie critters.

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I mean it's a bit of a hat on a hat but it's faster than swallow.

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Rustle hustle

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You get the idea

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Yeah this will do

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This one's great.

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This one's sweet.

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This is sweet

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 :aether :aether :aether :aether :aether

I mean they can do it bore than anyone else to be fair

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Re: Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280105#msg1280105
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2018, 05:24:22 pm »
Life and Fire deck are the exact same.
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Re: Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280106#msg1280106
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Re: Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280107#msg1280107
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2018, 06:22:02 pm »
so this prove my point of yesterday in chat

sofree = can only be used in a cool way by air, broken, it also makes a balanced matchup against all these decks, broken²
sopa = can be used by EVERY element, it give u a sort of cc + stallbreaking + resistance to your enemy cc + ability to okho with only 1 copy = balanced
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Re: Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280108#msg1280108
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2018, 06:42:02 pm »
Just great, now we'll have a SoP war...

Anyway, just because it can be used by all elements doesn't make it balanced. By that logic, sundial, dim shield, vagger, discord etc. are balanced, but all dragons are broken because not all elements can make good decks with them.

That's not how it works. Stop trying to make SoP look balanced by comparing it to SoFr. It isn't. SoFr is a crazy broken card, but your beloved SoP is not all that far from it as you'd like us to believe.

These decks actually prove how broken SoP is more than anything else. Just put some cheap garbage creatures (which includes warden), add SoP, gg wp

I'd love to see them both banned or cost an insane amount in the next war.

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Re: Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280109#msg1280109
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Just great, now we'll have a SoP war...

Anyway, just because it can be used by all elements doesn't make it balanced. By that logic, sundial, dim shield, vagger, discord etc. are balanced, but all dragons are broken because not all elements can make good decks with them.

That's not how it works. Stop trying to make SoP look balanced by comparing it to SoFr. It isn't. SoFr is a crazy broken card, but your beloved SoP is not all that far from it as you'd like us to believe.

These decks actually prove how broken SoP is more than anything else. Just put some cheap garbage creatures (which includes warden), add SoP, gg wp

I'd love to see them both banned or cost an insane amount in the next war.

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Re: Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280111#msg1280111
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These decks actually prove how broken SoP is more than anything else. Just put some cheap garbage creatures (which includes warden), add SoP, gg wp

Cheap =/= garbage. Anymore.
One thing i love about sop is that traditional garbage is not anymore.
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Re: Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280113#msg1280113
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These decks actually prove how broken SoP is more than anything else. Just put some cheap garbage creatures (which includes warden), add SoP, gg wp

Cheap =/= garbage. Anymore.
One thing i love about sop is that traditional garbage is not anymore.
Then Fractal is balanced as well, because it makes Ray of Light usable. Discord is balanced as well, because it makes Black Hole usable.

That's also not how it works. Sure, it's nice to see some cards you never see in pvp otherwise, but the price is too high. Does anyone really want a meta centered around SoP and its (few) counters?

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Re: Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280116#msg1280116
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it won't.
And SoP has many counters. trust me, I have tested.
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Re: Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280117#msg1280117
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2018, 09:09:32 pm »
gravy shield
sofree (but it should be banned)
multiple lucky pande + rof
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jokes aside, maybe we should wait until the new wm is announced
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Re: Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280119#msg1280119
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2018, 09:21:51 pm »
You could probably make a SoFree deck with 5/6 Damsels/SoFree and 4 Sky Dragons for each team, too. Just like I did in Darkness finals. Just add 3-5 in element support or whatever and you get similar tesults. You sacrifice some speed and consistency, but these SoPa Wardens are in a similar boat. Having had a 0/9 Pend draw with SoPest, I cannot not be worried by how inconsistent these decks are.

And just by presenting them as viable war decks... you are kind of marking the strategy as OP.

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Re: Patient Wardens for all War Teams https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=66330.msg1280121#msg1280121
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2018, 09:32:42 pm »
And just by presenting them as viable war decks... you are kind of marking the strategy as OP.

Disagree here. OP in my book means creating an imbalance within teams. I actually think with shards allowed other than air's all war teams are MORE balanced than without. Nova graboid is usable for all teams. It is strong, but not OP (no matter how much I hate team earth's grabbows, I know i just have to deal with them.
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