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ultra-scorp skeleton build archetypes (trying to do a newbie friendly tutorial) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40384.msg500623#msg500623
« on: May 18, 2012, 11:09:35 pm »
i'm posting this in deck help rather than deck compilations to gauge if i've gotten the skeleton builds for the 3 "classic" ultrascorp variants. i'm hoping to help newbies, so: no upgrades, as little rares as possible, and the most efficient decks possible for the cheapest.

please comment and tell me what's wonky, what works, where i've messed up, and if i've missed something crucial. like, another ultrascorp build.

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strategy: throw out nightfall and cloak your deathstalkers. you might want to aflatoxin your opponent, creating a field lock with your skull shield. the arsenic is dispensable, sub it for another of anything, really. but if you've got it, flaunt it. the steal is mandatory if you use darkness cards (joking, but it feels like it)

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strategy: different from the AI3, here we use momentum on the dune scorpions. use procrastination to turtle, meanwhile RT the critters. you can sub eternity for a 6th RT. the black hole is for excess  :gravity
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strategy: the adrenascorp. throw scorpions, adrenaline them, wait. you could make it using mitosis and a green nymph, or you could create a stall using emerald shield and lots of heal. up to you, really.

here's my take at creating a tutorial, cos i really struggled when i was a newbie and people were talking about deck archetypes and i didn't understand. (lookin' at you instosis)

from newbies everywhere, thanks in advance
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Re: ultra-scorp skeleton build archetypes (trying to do a newbie friendly tutorial) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40384.msg500638#msg500638
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2012, 11:45:41 pm »
cool idea, to demonstrate the 3 possible scorpion decks, at least with only one scorpion type in it...

but all 3 decks can be considerably better with some changes

you dont need soul catcher on the first deck, you dont have a reliable way to constatly kill creatures to be worth it, and having only 2 makes the combo even harder to pull off. suggesting adding a  :darkness pendulum and a second steal.

i dont really think the second deck needs those pends, sure momentum costs 2 :gravity, but one momentu'ed scorp every 2 turns should be enough, most of the poison will be from the other deck playing cards anyway. suggesting trading those 4 pends for 2 towers and 2 other cards of choice.

the third deck has way too many pillars, way more than what it really needs, empathic bond can only heal 6 hp per turn at best wich means its nearly useless there. suggesting taking out the bond and 3 pillars and put more heals instead


there's also a common weakness on the 3 decks: they only have 6 creatures, none of them strong in terms of hp, wich will make the decks quite prone to CC, but that's usually one of the weaknesses of these decks

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Re: ultra-scorp skeleton build archetypes (trying to do a newbie friendly tutorial) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40384.msg500640#msg500640
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2012, 11:48:48 pm »
Well, that's not a weakness in Dunes.  You only need, after all, one.

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Re: ultra-scorp skeleton build archetypes (trying to do a newbie friendly tutorial) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40384.msg500643#msg500643
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2012, 11:54:56 pm »
alright poker, i'll update the codes:

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-4 pends, + 2 time pillars and +2 RTs
 :death :darkness:
-2 jars, + 1 pend +1 steal
 :life:
-1 EB - 3 pillars + 4 heals

regarding the CC problem, i tried alleviating the problem using cloak, but since i don't use that card usually...

a friend of mine (in game name: vertvert) pulled off a funny trio ultrascorp using quinted momentum'd dune scorps. funny as hell, but unreliable draw. so he threw the technique in his 60 card rainbow. does wonders in gold, iirc.
but let's keep this simple. thanks for checking

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Re: ultra-scorp skeleton build archetypes (trying to do a newbie friendly tutorial) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40384.msg500647#msg500647
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2012, 12:03:00 am »
Methinks QI calculator would be useful.
On another note, if you really want to go rareless, replace Eternity with a RT. Also, since you've removed the pends, the BH in the :time :gravity doesn't look so good- try replacing with another RT for a total of 6.
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Re: ultra-scorp skeleton build archetypes (trying to do a newbie friendly tutorial) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40384.msg500653#msg500653
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2012, 12:16:11 am »
Methinks QI calculator would be useful.
On another note, if you really want to go rareless, replace Eternity with a RT. Also, since you've removed the pends, the BH in the :time :gravity doesn't look so good- try replacing with another RT for a total of 6.

aaaaand done, forgot about that one! thanks. now, what would you recommend instead of eternity, a third shield? i'll keep it up there, but just so i know what to write up later in a "what if" scenario
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Re: ultra-scorp skeleton build archetypes (trying to do a newbie friendly tutorial) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40384.msg500694#msg500694
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2012, 01:29:34 am »
Hmm. There's not really much you can do. Just leave a note for it like you did with arsenic- you can replace it with pretty much anything, though the best choice imo would just be another pillar or a precognition. As for a third shield, you generally don't want more than 2 copies of a non-replaceable shield in a 30 card deck unless it's absolutely vital for the strategy like RoL-Hope.
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Re: ultra-scorp skeleton build archetypes (trying to do a newbie friendly tutorial) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40384.msg502312#msg502312
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2012, 04:35:53 pm »
alright, just bumping for freshness. if you guys think this is an ok attempt at a triple compilation for newbies, then i'll post it/ask someone to move it to deck compilation.

i was thinking about explaining instosis, grabbix, pestal, and fractix next, though not in one go. should i keep going with this series? does it serve a purpose beyond upping my post count (ie, useless)?
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