FASTEST Deck ever (+How to win in 3 turns?)

[Tomsense76]

I just tested this deck out.
While it is faster than the speed deck I've been using for L3 grinding (6 Elite Graboids, 6 Elite shriekers, 6 Gnome Gemfinders) I have found that it tends to lose more often. The creatures tend to fall prey more easily to things like Rain of Fire, Lightning, and Thunderstorm. It also has the downside of being prone to slow Quantum production past the first few rounds which is especially bad if your creatures are killed quickly.

Again, very fast but winning percentage just isn't there for me.

[kev]

I spent all day thinking about whether it's possible to win in three turns and then found this post.    I was going to make and test a variant that had less towers, six destroyers and immolations, upgraded sparks in addition to/in place of RoLsand/or brimstone eaters, more than one gavel and maybe an animate weapon or two.  While the original deck had a chance to  win in 3 turns, it relied on getting multiple cremations and crematable creatures in hand, but then only had 4 cremations and 6 crematable creatures in the deck.

Suffice it to say that there's really no other way to win in three turns, even with the new cards.  Frogs and phoenixes can do it in four, as can this deck unupgraded.

[kintar]

I wonder if this deck can be made faster now that we have pheonixes.

[unionruler]

I've tested all of the 3 decks with 100 games against the computer level 3 AI. All cards were upgraded. Both player and computer had 50 won and 50 lost coin tosses.

Personally I feel that you should be testing the deck against T50 and exclude results against all farms met. It is fully upped after all--if you could afford this you'd probably be lacking rares and not electrum.

[Jangoo]

I would like to hear how that turned out.

Any fire-rush I used in T50 so far got bogged down too often ... all those stall-decks don't do good for a fire-rush, 100/dmg per turn or not. 

[pervepic]

I agree that speed is not the only important thing in pvp. If you want a good creature-based anti-top 50 fire deck, then you almost must have few Explosions. I'm not absolutely sure, but i think that adding few Cremations would make it a bit quicker too (all versions of win-in-3 are based on Cremations anyway). And Balls are better than Rays, especially in the deck which wants to win in 4-5 turns. This deck can also win in 3 turns:

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But actually I don't think that it is overall better deck than the following one, which can't win in 3 turns (if my math is correct):

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I don't remember exactly, whose deck this originally was and if I modified it or not, but this deck was more reliable in my practice, compared with the first one because:

1. Phoenixes don't die easily. If game goes a bit longer (as it usually does because of Shards, Sundials,etc), this gives you important advatage compared with Rays, Balls or Brimstones. And if you have 1-2 Phoenixes out, then you don't have to worry any more that there is nothing to cremate.
2. More towers give you cosnstant fire production, so Eternity and and the lack of Cremation doesn't hurt so much.

 

 
 

[Justsoneguy]

I haven't really farmed T50 with a fire deck, I personally prefer using a shrieker rush.  Although a fire deck can be faster, there's more clicking involved and the phoenix/ash cremation animation flashes the red light in your hand.  Fire creatures also have less hp, and die more easily.

I'm not sure about the explosions as a must have card (but then again, I haven't farmed much with a fire deck so don't trust me on this). There's no perm-control in the shrieker deck and I do fine with that, but the earth deck has the advantage of burrowing.

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The gavel can give you 3-turn wins, but you must not go first and start with 8 cards.

Starting hand:
2 towers
2 cremations
1 phoenix
1 lava destroyer
1 dragon
1 gavel

1st turn: Play both towers, double cremate the phoenix, play rest of hand.  Damage = 29
2nd turn: Draw and play phoenix card, growth lava destroyer.  Damage = 29 + 4 + 2 = 35
3rd turn: Growth lava destroyer.  Damage = 35 + 2 = 37
Total damage = 101

Variations:
Draw lava destroyer 2nd or 3rd turn and play on 3rd turn*.
Total damage = 29+31+40 = 100

*Gavel takes 2 random quanta to play, if it uses your last fire quantum first turn then you need to draw a fire tower with your lava destroyer as your 2nd and 3rd card. 

Personally I prefer phoenixes to cremate because you can double cremate them, or if it isn't necessary then you can revive them next turn for 4 damage.  However, you need more burning towers to run this deck, especially if you are aiming for 4 turn wins as most of them start off with being able to cremate a phoenix on the first turn with 2 towers in play.  Probably 8 towers is enough instead of 9 even.

I am no statistician, but the chance of the 3-turn win would be extremely low, compounded by the fact you must not go first and must start off with those 8 cards.  There may be other ways to win in 3 turns but I haven't thought of them for this deck.  Putting in the gavel however can also be a disadvantage if rainbow decks have a steal, your chances of EM goes down a little.

But all said, cremation decks work very well vs. T50, probably better than a shrieker rush even, but I'll probably stubbornly stick to the shrieker deck for the reasons mentioned above.

[pervepic]

Yeah, Gavel gives you a possible 3-turn win indeed . Graboid deck doesn't need Explosions so much, since it has usually Earthquakes that slow any defence down. Seems that Adrenaline deck, which is as quick as Graboids, looses more often (compared with Graboids and Golems) just because of lack of any permanent control (Explosions, Earthquakes). Besides, Rewinds can make huge difference. Sometimes i wish i had a at least 1 Fire Lance in my Golem deck to kill this Oty, Druid, Mind Flyer or Squid, which can ruin the party.

[Justsoneguy]

I haven't done enough testing between the different earth rush ducks, but I think pure speed is better for T50.  For a while I packed some quakes, rewinds and/or precogs with the graboids/shriekers but I think it's slower and not worth the time than just pure 6/6 grab/shriekers.

Definitely, if there are a lot of farms on, don't put in quakes/rewinds.  They may help out vs. non-farms, but you sacrifice too much speed and you want to play as many games vs. farms anyways.  Way more reward from farms and subsequent spins than trying (and failing more often than not) to EM everything else. 

[pervepic]

I played this deck for a while (about 30 games in top 50) and loved it :

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This is pure agression I lost only 2-3 games because of lack of Explosions and, of course, there is no absolute guarantee that i would have won these games if i had them. And nobody can tell exactly how many games I won because of lack Explosions, but I must admit that there is no big need for them, if there is need for them at all. Luckily Sundials are quite out of fashion these days and I didn't met many Shards  too. I think that this is one quickest and best top 50 grinder I have played with. I don't want to make statistics though, since people change their deck all the time.

But if you would ask me if I play with this deck also in pvp league for example, I would say "no" The point is that Aether with its famous shield is far too popular among the players right now. And Graboids with Rewind. This is the area, when you need something a bit different, more different kind of control, at least in my opinion.

PS! Cool, I'm seeing my name under the deck right now, so in the future I can memorize whose decks I'm reposting

[~Napalm]

I like this deck a lot. It's probably a heck of a lot more stable than mine. (not going to post as of yet)
However, I did find a similar hand that gives you even moar! damage in 3 turns (provided you are player 2).

If you lose the coin toss.
Turn 1:
Play a Ray of Light, Cremate. Play a Minor Phoenix, Cremate. Play three Lava Destroyers.

3 x 7 = 21

You still have a Cremation/Crimson Dragon in hand. You also have 1 Fire Quanta and 2 of each other quanta left. When the turn ends, you gain 1 more Earth Quanta for a total of 3.

Turn 2:

You draw a Crimson Dragon/Cremation (whatever you didn't have before)
You Cremate the Minor Phoenix (without rebirthing) and play the Crimson Dragon.
You Growth all three of the Lava Destroyers.

3 x 9 + 12 = 39 = 60 dmg so far. 40 left

You now have nothing in your hand, 0 Fire Quanta, 1 Earth Quanta, but 3 of any other quanta. After the turn ends you have 2 Earth Quanta.

Turn 3:

You draw and play a Gavel/Vampire Dagger/Discord etc. (any weapon that costs less than 4 quanta that deals 6 damage)
You growth 2 Golems.

2 x 11 + 9 + 6 7 + 12 = 49 = 109 110 damage in 3 turns. (plz check my math, for some reason that sounds off to me...) EDIT: My math was wrong...

One problem. The chance of drawing this winning combo is a stage below slim to none. It's @#$% near impossible. While nice in theory, I dare somebody to actually pull this on somebody. However, I do think I deserve a cookie for finding the most damage in 3 turns (as of yet...)  *runs to the kitchen, eats her cookie, is happy*

[abysswalker]

enjoy your cookie!