Oracle : Decay

[Jappert]

In fact this guy made me thought this : unupped vampire are better to kill him than upped, except if decay play eclipse; Just take a look :

Damage with adren + momentum :

upped : 5+4+2 = 11
unupped : 3+3+3+3=12

with eclipse :

upped : 7+5+3=15
unupped : 5+4+2=11.

Remember the increased cost of upgraded vampires aswell. Not only does Decay drain your quanta but with this kind of deck you'll want to clear your hand asap. If you don't, you'll end up discarding valuable cards because of a lack of quanta and room in your hand. (momentum/adren/quint/vamps).

[ralouf]

Yeah I don't forget it but even with a lower cost the unupped is still doing more damage with adren.

[Angelic_Dawn]

In fact this girl made me thought this : unupped vampire are better to kill him than upped, except if decay play eclipse; Just take a look :

Damage with adren + momentum :

upped : 5+4+2 = 11
unupped : 3+3+3+3=12

with eclipse :

upped : 7+5+3=15
unupped : 5+4+2=11.

Jup, and the eclipses i had planned to explode (And did twice)

So why get upped? its only more expensive for no gain.
As you dont want Decay to have eclipses in play anyway.  (at least i didnt)  =)

[ralouf]

Yeah but that was just to compare. So yes I say that unupped are better than upped if you kill eclipse

[umgrego2]

STATS for comparing different decks:

Hig's Vampire combo, 30 cards, Novas vs. Supernovas

Novas with Mark of Time: 6/10

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Supernovas with Mark of Entropy: 4/10

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Observations:
- both decks suffer from a late vampire combo
- nova deck tended to lose from deck out
- supernovas tended to lose due to late jade shield play, which allows Decay to heal from drain life
Hig's Vampire combo, 35 cards, 3 of each combo card and 3 shields vs. 4 of each:

3 of each combo card and 3 shields: 6/10

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4 of each: 9/10 (and the loss was due to a really bad deal; no quint in first 23 cards of a 35 card deck)

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Observation:
- why do you need dmg reduction by two AND all that vampire healing? wouldn't the mirror shield suffice?


Having now played 30 games in the trainer, I am extremely certain that the upped vampire would hurt this deck. Most of the time it's touch and go to get the 3 dark quanta needed, couldn't imagine trying to get 5 going.

[Higurashi]

Good to know my suspicions are confirmed. I can't do proper testing because I've never lost with my 30-card deck, and that clearly means my luck is abnormal, as usual. x)

[DarkArk]

managed to win after starting off with one pillar and not getting another for 8 turns then having 3 of my vampires in the last 6 cards and not being able to play even a second one till i was down to 4,
 (he managed to keep my darkness quanta down to 1-2 almost the whole time despite having an abundance of other quanta)
just barely won after drawing my last card, it was a very close call i wasn't ever too worried about health but i wounder if adding an eternity or something to keep from decking out for at least one turn would be viable
(yes i know eternity is a rare but something) :/

[gumbeh]

I noticed that neither of the decks in the OP include Sanctuary, so I assume they're kinda oldish?

Sanctuary makes Decay trivially easy, so here's a simple deck which takes that into account.

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Results:


As shown in the pic, Pulverizer reduces Decay's damage to 0. The Emerald Shield is only to prevent Siphon Life from being used on you. It can be played 1 to 3 turns earlier than Jade Shield. Mirror Shield is ok, but early-game light quanta is for Sanctuary.

The Heal was to ensure EM. It might not be necessary. The hourglasses aren't very important either. You could remove them and stick in a third Quint and third damage-dealing creature.

An unupped, no-rare deck could be built very similarly, with 2x Steal replacing 2x pulvy, and 3x Deflagration replacing 3x Hourglass. Use explosions on Eclipse, use steals on Lobo. The SoDs could be replaced with more Sancs or Heals, but I would replace them with Momentums in case you have trouble punching through the Improved Dusk shield. 4 sancs and a spell-reflecting shield should be more than enough defense.
Unupped TL;DR: -2 Pulverizer, -3 Electrum Hourglass, -2 Shard of Divinity // +2 steal, +3 Deflagration, +2 Momentum

[Xenocidius]

I've heard good things about unupped CCYB against Decay. This variant should work:

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The heal helps with EM, but is irrelevant if you can smash Eclipses and Electrocuters.

Well, I've been testing this deck and it absolutely destroys Decay. EMs all around!

[Higurashi]

I noticed that neither of the decks in the OP include Sanctuary, so I assume they're kinda oldish?

Nope. majo just tends to post decks that have no rares/no upgrades. That said, the first deck needs to be replaced because upped Vamps don't cut it. Decay is a farm for CCYB as others have pointed out, so that needs to go up there.

[ddevans96]

Since we're talking about sanctuary, I'd like to point out my suggestion again:

I was messing around with an old deck I made a long time ago in trainer for FGs (sadly it was very unwieldy, and I'm still trying to tweak it) and I got Decay. I was surprised to see I managed to steamroll him with an early Sanc/PA combo. I isolated the major cards, tested it against him using the import function mulitple times, tweaked it, and ended with this:

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Fairly self explanatory. Don't play a Sanc unless you can PA it the same turn or if you have Destroy on the field - if he gets one it will take that much longer for your FMs to beat him down. Put BE on the second FM before quinting it, and destroy his dusk mantles and then his lobos (they'll be the only thing that can damage you.) Barring a lobo on the last turn before you kill him you'll easily get EM.

I had an eternity in there instead of using the third FM for pure attack, but never won with less than 6 cards left, so I decided it wasn't needed.

Maybe not as effective as the upped deck in the OP but I find it just as fun, if not more.

EDIT: Removed two towers. The deck as a whole is very effective. You could try swapping the mark to LIGHT as well, but this allows for a jade shield somewhat earlier. That one card is a killer against him. You could also replace a quint with aneternity if you find you're decking out.

[Xenocidius]

Yep, Sanctuary is definitely the way to go vs. Decay.

To my understanding majofa is busy with trials at the moment, but he should definitely update the OP with some of these decks when they're finished.