Starting vault - general strategy

[ralouf]

Deck tested : pandebonium

opponent : fire

Cremation rush : 4/1 (0 bonewall in 18 cards.. really ?) (3 pandemonium didn't even kill a 5/1... but still win)
0 close game always very easy wins. The Ai played fine

Grabow : 5/0
totally ownage VERY easy even with one pend in the first 11 cards

EQ deck : 5/0 Closer.. or not actually his deck is way too slow too kill me. even with a 1 pillar start

steamies : 5/0 purify can be annoying, fail pandly too. last game was almost close.

fractal phoenix : 5/0. don't even worth a try.. too much easy but it is funny to play pandly vs 10 weak creature ^^

I'll test vs firestall later, time to go to school !

[RootRanger]

Thanks.

As a reminder, make sure you that the AI has the Death deck half the time. This way, the fact that the AI plays worse than a human doesn't matter as much.

[ralouf]

 Vs the fire stall I made 3/3 and won every game (I used both of deck thrice).

[Jaymanfu]

General Strat of what Other teams Might/Will Play against us and how to combat them:

With extra ups available this war teams will likely know what other teams are going to be using ups on. Its likely most teams will know we will be using things like Upped spiders, Upped arsenics etc. As a semi trend last war I saw teams tossing in purifys into grabows, wouldn't be surprised if that was common this time.

- Last war nearly every deck they played had 4-6 bolts in them, if we play creatures vs them we need to overcome that or come up with other strats to get past it.

- Sanc stall, dealing with it is hard but we've come up with a few decks that are at least pretty decent vs it. Rain of fire is another card that can take down a lot of common cards death would use, spiders, mummies, grabiods etc

- Discord Discord grabowcord... Whatever we do, we pretty much know that entropy is going to toss discords at us, which hurts a lot of our decks.

- Being able to run a rush or stall at the blink of an eye is scary, whatever we bring it should be able to beat both with a decent win rate.

- Im doubtful of them bringing eclipse/nightfall type things vs us maybe pestal but I think its better vs other teams. Early Upped Vamp daggers can really hurt, look out for wings/dim shields.

- Wings can hurt, Eagle eye can hurt, Titans can hurt, immocatcher pheonix with dragons could be good here.

- Im guessing a lot of there decks are going to be different this time around, fractal frogs with ups or even cocks and hit the table and rush fast, they are usually weak to wings/dim decks.

- Im guessing they are going to try to address there weakness against RT this time around, I expect some decent flying cata titan decks, fractal chargers etc

- I expect a lot of different decks from light as well this time around, im sure they will have a few firestalls, upped angels pack a punch and are hard to kill, holy lights are doubtful

- Time to see what 10 men brings to the building, grabby/GoTP decks and GoTP nightmare, and dune scorp decks are obvious choices guess we'll see if they are packing anything else, all 3 of those decks are weak to quick Wings decks

- Purify, Upped crawlers, Fractal Crawlers, whatever we take against water its gotta be not reliant on poison alone.



Feel free to add more to this and post other ideas/comments you have that could help us.

[RootRanger]

I think it's very accurate, thanks for typing that up.

[xn0ize]

We countered fractal chargers more than once , poison rush , MYYYYYYY POISONDIAL.

[ralouf]

yes dial is really awesome but with upped charger it'll be very hard because bone wall become useless. Anyway most of the rush will loose vs poisondial.

[ralouf]

Yeah now we have 12 more cards to our vault and we should finish it quickly !

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[jippy99]

12 cards should just be pillars/pends.

[ralouf]

Yes that was I thought too. We must design a vault now, what do you think about the one I posted ? maybe add phoenix ? instead of some cards.

[RootRanger]

We new to get testing done first. Otherwise we won't know what decks to add to the vault.

Oh, also, I still have't received feedback on my vault plan.
I suggest testing to find our 10 most important decks and adding them to the vault. This gives us up to 77 more cards which can be used mostly as off-element back up cards, so if a deck loses but we really need it in a later round, we can replace the off-element cards that we had to discard with back up cards. The back up cards can also allow our decks to be customizable depending in the opponents we face. Does this sound good?

[ralouf]

- Last war nearly every deck they played had 4-6 bolts in them, if we play creatures vs them we need to overcome that or come up with other strats to get past it.
Yes they are likely to play a lot of lightning. Good idea : don't use creature ! or maybe use quinted dragon. Still, for me the best deck is monodeath stall version. This deck always beat any other bonewall deck with an other colour (pandebonium or bonebolt mostly)

- Sanc stall, dealing with it is hard but we've come up with a few decks that are at least pretty decent vs it. Rain of fire is another card that can take down a lot of common cards death would use, spiders, mummies, grabiods etc   
I tested pandebonium it looks like it is rather good vs fire

- Discord Discord grabowcord... Whatever we do, we pretty much know that entropy is going to toss discords at us, which hurts a lot of our decks.
most of the entropy deck based on iscord don't like poison at all. Specially playing an early arsenic kill the deck most of the time, and bonewall is very good too. If you fear discord but no BH you can use something like poisonbow

- Being able to run a rush or stall at the blink of an eye is scary, whatever we bring it should be able to beat both with a decent win rate. 
I got poison should be able to beat there rush and chrysaora will beat stall deck I think this can be good.Fractal recluse can be good too as immortal death do.

- Im doubtful of them bringing eclipse/nightfall type things vs us maybe pestal but I think its better vs other teams. Early Upped Vamp daggers can really hurt, look out for wings/dim shields. 
The wyrm can be good here beause it has lot of wings, or quinted dragon too. If we think they'll bring pestal just use grabow.

- Wings can hurt, Eagle eye can hurt, Titans can hurt, immocatcher pheonix with dragons could be good here.
immocatcher can work and monodeath control version too.

- Im guessing a lot of there decks are going to be different this time around, fractal frogs with ups or even cocks and hit the table and rush fast, they are usually weak to wings/dim decks. 
same, the wyrm and quinted dragon can work. poison dial looks rather good too and pandebonium/bonebolt will roxx too

- Im guessing they are going to try to address there weakness against RT this time around, I expect some decent flying cata titan decks, fractal chargers etc 
this elements look slow to me, monodeath rush seems perfectly good here. fractal recluse can be fine too.

- I expect a lot of different decks from light as well this time around, im sure they will have a few firestalls, upped angels pack a punch and are hard to kill, holy lights are doubtful
I don't think they use holy light though.. quinted dragon and the wyrm looks good too. The death/light stall can win because light isn't very agressive. Titan wall looks awesome here too

- Time to see what 10 men brings to the building, grabby/GoTP decks and GoTP nightmare, and dune scorp decks are obvious choices guess we'll see if they are packing anything else, all 3 of those decks are weak to quick Wings decks 
The wyrm as always, with moar poison to kill even if they play lot of RT.the darkness duo maybe fine.

- Purify, Upped crawlers, Fractal Crawlers, whatever we take against water its gotta be not reliant on poison alone. 
immocatcher, mono death rush or grabow can fit here. A Discord BH deck can work.