Round 9 - Decks

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Matchups for round 8

Mrblonde YoungSot

Kevkev Sevs  (Lt.)

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Marvaddin Svenningen

MrBlonde (General)

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KevKev (Lieutenant)

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Marvaddin

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Post your ideas.

[MrBlonde]

Okey dokey, using Kev's info on this deck tears their death counter deck up.

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Took out a mummy from my first posted deck but should still work fine.

For my matchup this works well vs their PU/Phoenix deck and Grabbow. It also can beat their poison/duos. The deck that crushes this is pestal. I'm hoping they don't think of going pestal two times in a row knowing we have a counter for it.

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Fire i was thinking if we could salvage those RT's and use all 3 mummies for a time/pharaoh rewind deck.

Last aether matchup, the darkness or earth stall deck seems good.

[SteppingStone81]

Fire

One reasonable choice here would be the earth duo with stone skins and titanium shields.  The deck would be strongest with bone walls; that failing, though, four skull shields could be enough along with two tits.

Another possibility here would be a fractal deck with viruses, bone walls, and 2-3 upped recluses.  This tests pretty well vs most of their remaining decks.


Underworld

I expect UW to pack a purify or two against us, so we should use poison elsewhere.  The fire duo MrBlonde suggested should rip up many possible UW decks, so I'll vote for that.  I am not sure how the earth stall would do vs UW (doesn't seem amazing, but could work).


Aether

The most likely decks from Aether: fractix, pestal, or poison stall; grabow actually seems likely as well.  I think they will expect us to bring the earth stall against them again, since that worked last time - let's not use the earth stall here.

Here are the options I like vs aether:

a straight up poison deck with dim shields and lightninga fractal recluse rush (possibly with viruses and bone walls), assuming we don't use this vs firea darkness duo - we can salvage a number of interesting darkness cards, including 4 steals, 5 devourers, black dragons, liquid shadow, eclipses - in particular, perhaps we could build a bone/black dragon LS deck with steals.  Eclipse brings both dragon types to 6 hp (resisting lightning), and LS can be used in case we need the healing vs a grabowmaybe a fire duo

[kev]

It’s early but I believe we’ll playing 2x Aether, 1x Fire, and 1x UW this round.

Aether still has a good many decks available (for details see the All War 3 Decks thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,24394.0.html)) but Fire and UW should be limited to roughly the following decks.  Same disclosure as last round, this is a wildly imperfect exercise but here are the decks we know they have:

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Note: Their last deck is a dimshield deck.

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Note: UW has been changing their decks up quite a bit and they have more wiggle room than Fire, so take this all with a grain of salt.
It’s early to be choosing decks, but I’d note that Fire doesn’t seem to have bolt decks left.  BWs and cc will serve us well.  The third UW deck screams "pit me against Death", so I'd like to be sure whatever we pick stands a decent chance against it.  I'll have to test more before I formulate an opinion.  I like poison and dimshields in one aether match.  It probably seems a little backwards that I'm concentrating on our non-Aether matches when we really need to take the top dog down a peg, but the vault knowledge we have over Fire and UW really needs to be used to ensure we win the matches we can, imo.

Yes they do, dumbass.  Maybe you should double check before you post and fall asleep, cuz a sancbolt is RIGHT THERE.

I think our two best options against Fire are the Earth duo or a lightning rush with maybe 2 BWs.  Actually if we were feeling frisky we could salvage Terro's RTs from last round and make it an RT rush instead of lightning.  That auto-loses against sancbolt but is really strong against everything else and wouldn't require BWs.  Unfortunately I don't know if we have the cards to pull off either a lightning or RT rush cuz we'd want to use all our cost efficient critters.  So maybe the Earth duo is wise.

I like blonde's deck versus UW but the two decks blonde posted contain 6 total recluses and we only have 5 in vault.

[SteppingStone81]

Unfortunately I don't know if we have the cards to pull off either a lightning or RT rush cuz we'd want to use all our cost efficient critters.  So maybe the Earth duo is wise.

I like blonde's deck versus UW but the two decks blonde posted contain 6 total recluses and we only have 5 in vault.

Yeah, our vault is running very low on death critters, which is why I am a big proponent of salvaging darkness critters (devourers, dragons, gargoyles) to go into a duo with steals and possibly LS / eclipse.

Fractal really leverages our recluses, though, so we could consider fielding two dim shield / fractal / lightning hybrid decks.

[MrBlonde]

Unfortunately I don't know if we have the cards to pull off either a lightning or RT rush cuz we'd want to use all our cost efficient critters.  So maybe the Earth duo is wise.

I like blonde's deck versus UW but the two decks blonde posted contain 6 total recluses and we only have 5 in vault.

Yeah, our vault is running very low on death critters, which is why I am a big proponent of salvaging darkness critters (devourers, dragons, gargoyles) to go into a duo with steals and possibly LS / eclipse.

Fractal really leverages our recluses, though, so we could consider fielding two dim shield / fractal / lightning hybrid decks.

Interesting. All we would need to do is salvage a couple dims and we would have the hybrid right there. And yeah the lack of creatures probably does force us to "steal" the darkness creatures. Anyhow i was planning to go on but GF took forever to leave tonight and i'm pretty tired so i'll be back tomorrow to get this done.

[SteppingStone81]

Interesting. All we would need to do is salvage a couple dims and we would have the hybrid right there.

Hmm, salvaging extra dim shields is not a bad idea; it just cuts into the number of darkness critters and cards we can salvage.  There are also four fractals available should we go that route.

And yeah the lack of creatures probably does force us to "steal" the darkness creatures.

I've been fiddling with darkness duos, avoiding using mummies, recluse, poison, and arsenic.  Here's one possibility:

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Eclipses bring dragons' hp to 6 (above lightning dmg).

[MrBlonde]

Tested out the darkness deck vs aether.... well doesn't do to well. It only beats their phoenix deck. Gets stomped by grabbow, pestal, light stall, and poison duo. I think this deck would work much better vs fire decks. Although looking at the fire decks i don't think it will work vs much against that either... hmmmmmmmm.

[MrBlonde]

Thinking about it more i think if we took 3 or 4 dims and 2-3 PU's from one of the decks and making a 5-6 dim dragon/PU deck would actually work better vs aether.

[SteppingStone81]

Bone dragons (and upped ivory dragons) have only 5 hp and die easily to both lightnings and RP.  PU dragons might work out against UW, though (PU their momentumed dune scorp then lightning it).

If we salvage no other darkness cards, we should grab 4x steal.  I am really antsy about using a fractal deck against aether, since a single dim shield will shut us down.  Perhaps someone can build a fractal deck which has steals (or explosions / deflags) powered by the mark?

[MrBlonde]

Bone dragons (and upped ivory dragons) have only 5 hp and die easily to both lightnings and RP.  PU dragons might work out against UW, though (PU their momentumed dune scorp then lightning it).

If we salvage no other darkness cards, we should grab 4x steal.  I am really antsy about using a fractal deck against aether, since a single dim shield will shut us down.  Perhaps someone can build a fractal deck which has steals (or explosions / deflags) powered by the mark?

Thats why my fractal deck is bigger with dim shields. It allows you to not get decked out with stalls and the dim's protect you. Problem with a trio deck running on a mark is that we can only salvage aether pendelums. Hmmm actually i guess i could take aether pends and give the pillars to the other deck to perhaps get it running. Not completely sure about that idea since i imagine that type of deck would be really clunky (with steals anyways).

[kev]

Just throwing up some decks for us to get an idea.  We can tweak as we test.  As is I tested my deck against the three UW decks and I think I'm a slight favorite versus the first two and a moderate favorite against the second.  I tested Earth duo against the four Fire decks I posted.  We're a big dog to PU drags and grabow, a slight favorite to immophoenix, and a huge favorite to sancbolt.  I don't think Earth duo ever won by damage so we can probably give me the Arsenics to replace my poisons, and we can probably forget about packing poison in the Earth duo; they're wasted cards.  I generally don't like deckout decks with no other win condition but if we keep Earth duo against Fire deckout is our best option.

I didn't test our fractal decks against Aether.  We could certainly use the deck for blonde that he posted above.  This one is just another option to consider.

blonde:

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marv:

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kev

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xn:

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