Round 8 - Decks

[xn0ize]

Matchups for round 8

Mrblonde pikachufan2164 (Lt.)

Kevkev TheonlyrealBeef (Gen.)

xn0ize Terroking (Lt.)

Marvaddin Majofa ( Lt.)

MrBlonde (General)

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KevKev (Lieutenant)

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Xnoize

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Marvaddin

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Post your ideas.

[MrBlonde]

Ideas.... meh.. these matchups are not very favorable at all (although at this stage not much choice).

So we have and that can both run Fractix which we can beat with earth stall (oops... maybe not i forgot our PA's are gone).
And then we have and that can both run pestal which crushes earth stall.

Bleargh.

If we could take grabbows in all three of those matchups i would. I can't really find a good place to put the earth stall sans PA.

[xn0ize]

well, i think aether is going to pack the aether/light stall, just a  hunch ;]

darkness will pack the grabbow most likely, fire... no idea :\, earth will go the immortal most likely

[SteppingStone81]

If we could take grabbows in all three of those matchups i would. I can't really find a good place to put the earth stall sans PA.

We can field two grabows actually (can salvage 4 novas + 2 graboids from wizel's deck for 10 total novas and 8 total graboids).  One grabow could feature 6 novas / 5 graboids + a lightning, shockwave, and deflag, while the other grabow could hold 4 novas / 3 graboids + 3-4x earthquake.

The earth stall could turn into a stone skin / titanium shield stall rush w/ dragons.

Last deck would be a fire duo.

We also have dim shields, lightnings, and fractals hanging around the vault.

[Marvaddin]

Fire... I said to Majofa the time mark was to use RTs vs immo decks. As I lost (and in fact dunno if we can keep the RTs), I think that immo deck will be a probable option of team Fire here. If we keep the RTs, maybe use them again.

If we have EQ, lets use it vs teams that will most probably play Fractal decks. Possibly Darkness.

Grabbow looks a good option vs Earth.

What pendulum will we get? are they going to help in any way or is just trash to be discarded?

And just thinking, what is the most powerfull deck we could build using anything in the vault, possibly letting a side strategy to use later? As being the winner looks impossible, we could think about an alternative strategy to overlast some teams and try a better final position.

[SteppingStone81]

Fire... I said to Majofa the time mark was to use RTs vs immo decks. As I lost (and in fact dunno if we can keep the RTs), I think that immo deck will be a probable option of team Fire here. If we keep the RTs, maybe use them again.

Unfortunately, we can only keep RTs and darkness cards at the expense of mummies and poisons.

[kev]

Darkness, Earth, and Fire are able to field only 4-5 decks each.  The following spoilers contain possible decks each team has left from the All War 3 Decks thread.  Obviously the last two Event Cards have messed with deck construction and salvage/partial discards/hidden vault cards makes this a wildly imperfect exercise, but here's the decks we know they have.

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Step says we need to field four of the following five: fire duo, earth duo (either rush or stall), aether duo (with fractals and/or dims), 2 grabows.  I propose we find the best counter to the opponent decks we know above and pick the best leftover deck versus aether.

[kev]

Based on the above, I like

the fire duo against Darknessa dimshield duo with mummies versus Eartha modified Anti-Fire against Fire

This leaves a grabow versus Aether which is just fine by me.  Thoughts on these deck choices?

[SteppingStone81]

the fire duo against Darkness

Fire duo seems like our best bet vs darkness.  If we do use a fire duo here, we should consider upgrading rage elixirs (since Torb would likely upgrade dragons to 6 hp). 

Other possibility here is a pure grabow, but our grabow is not as good as their grabow and loses to their PU-LS dragon deck as well.

a dimshield duo with mummies versus Earth

Dim shield duo seems reasonable vs earth unless they use the gravity duo vs us (which seems a bit unlikely).

a modified Anti-Fire against Fire

My pick vs fire is a fractal deck with 3 viruses + 4 bone walls for defense and mummies for offense.  Otherwise, I guess the anti-fire might work here.

This leaves a grabow versus Aether which is just fine by me.

EQs are our best hope vs aether, either in a grabow or in a modified earth stall (which becomes free if we use fractal vs fire). 

If we don't use fractal vs fire, we could consider straight-up fractal here.  We'd lose to pestal and dim shields, but we don't have many good counters left vs aether.

[SteppingStone81]

old deck set moved to spoiler
Here is one possible deck set:

(attached is spreadsheet for this round's deck-building.)

Mrblonde vs. pikachufan2164 (Lt.)

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we need to fatten this deck.we could use event card for earth pendula.this deck either needs more damage or more stalling power.

Kevkev vs. TheonlyrealBeef (Gen.)

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might consider removing arsenic if too likely to be stolen.


xn0ize vs. Terroking (Lt.)

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concerns ... might lose to the immortal.  could add another fractal, especially if we don't use fractals elsewhere ...


Marvaddin vs. Majofa ( Lt.)

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i actually prefer using a deck with 4x fractal, 3x virus, 4x bone wall here.  what do other people think?

Here are leftover cards after this set of decks:

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[bone pillar / death pend]3x virus1x flesh spider1x mummy2x arsenic1x poison1x lightning4x fractal1x deflagration[/list]

[kev]

My feedback on the posted decks:

xdude tried replacing death pends with earth pillars/pends in this deck initially but we concluded early death quanta was important.  Now that we took out BWs and some skull shields, it's probably a good idea.  I haven't tested it at all but I wonder whether it's dangerous to straddle the rush/stall decision.  I might just replace the recluses with earth pends and up four arsenics instead.

I originally mentioned upping ragepots against potential upped dragons, but maybe I'm overemphasizing one deck and upping something else would be wise.  Upped ragepots are really useful against upped dragons only.  Actually though my bigger concerns are having only four critters, being underpillared, and wanting to whittle it down to 30 cards.  Any way we can get more mummies?  If not I'm more in favor of blonde dropping a couple recluses so I can add three upped and our lonely mummy.

I'd go -4 lightnings, -1 aether pillar.

[SteppingStone81]

My feedback on the posted decks:

xdude tried replacing death pends with earth pillars/pends in this deck initially but we concluded early death quanta was important.  Now that we took out BWs and some skull shields, it's probably a good idea.  I haven't tested it at all but I wonder whether it's dangerous to straddle the rush/stall decision.  I might just replace the recluses with earth pends and up four arsenics instead.

bone walls don't seem to add a lot to stalling ability vs aether's likely fractals, so the BWs are better placed in the fire duo vs darkness.  We could remove the recluses from here and give them to kevkev vs darkness.  Upped arsenics make sense in this case.  If we do remove more death cards (i.e., the recluses), then it definitely makes sense to include as many earth pendula as are legal.


I originally mentioned upping ragepots against potential upped dragons, but maybe I'm overemphasizing one deck and upping something else would be wise.  Upped ragepots are really useful against upped dragons only.  Actually though my bigger concerns are having only four critters, being underpillared, and wanting to whittle it down to 30 cards.  Any way we can get more mummies?  If not I'm more in favor of blonde dropping a couple recluses so I can add three upped and our lonely mummy.

we currently have 1 more mummy and 1 more recluse left.  We also have more pillars / pends available.


I'd go -4 lightnings, -1 aether pillar.

hmm, we could drop the lightnings, but graboids and GotP make up most of earth's remaining attackers.  Lightnings are there to bridge the gap until we can chain dim shields and fractal dragons.  If we do drop lightnings, what about -4 lightning, +1 fractal, so we can fractal more reliably?