Round 6 Battle

[RootRanger]

Here's what I finally decided on for Water.

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An Element of Death's power should usually beat something like Water, especially with a large vault advantage. This deck uses no more than 4 copies of each card to decrease the chance we will be counterdecked. Abyss Crawlers to survive Lightning? No problem, I only have 4 lightnings anyways. Chargers to get through bonewalls? I only have 4 Bonewalls. Ice bolts to stall? I made room for 3 fractals. Also, I would rather not use Aether pillars if our vault can handle it. Using only 2 quanta sources means better quanta draws than 3 quanta sources, and I doubt Water even has EQs in their vault.

[Jaymanfu]

Built these yesterday as decks I thought could win (funny the deck vs is nearly the same exact deck RootRanger built)

Mrblonde vs

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RR vs

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but.. these should be our easier decks / battles... the hard challenge is building decks to beat

[Jaymanfu]

Kinda changed my mind... playtested quite a bit with this

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It beat all of decks should and probably would come at us with, I think just going dims vs is probably fine

[ralouf]

Yeah I don't think water will use a deck with lot of PC vs us seeing that our main shield is bonewall PC is kinda useless IMO going for a dim shield/fractal deck is the best idea, moreover this deck is awesome. Going darkness doming looks very good vs aether, specially with those 3 shield.
Still wondering about what we should use for UW & earth

[RootRanger]

3 bonewalls against Water really doesn't seem like enough to reliably draw them as often as I would like, and 6 lightnings is going to struggle against a deck with 6 abyss crawlers. 3 Fractals is important to outrush Water's charger deck. 2 quanta sources is ideal for reliability with draws. More quanta sources means a bigger chance to have too much of one type of quanta and not enough of another.

I made the Water BoneBolt the way it is for a reason.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Water uses the Charger deck, which could really ruin a dimshield deck. Water's deck the last time they played against us also used a way to get past dimshields. Bone Bolt works against all of Water's last round decks.

We can still run two BoneBolts if we want to use one against Entropy.

Also, the Darkness deck against Time is going to lose to Grabbow unless it has a few Bonewalls. I'm not sure we really want cloaks because Time can just use CC on our creatures when a cloak isn't up.

[Jaymanfu]

If mrblonde or RootRanger wanna do decks for this round im going to be a little more busy this round then last

[ralouf]

Sorry but I'm really lacking idea.. I was thinking about a mono death rather oriented stall vs entropy but when I was winning entropy deck I thought it was a bad idea actually..

[Jaymanfu]

Had a few extra hours so I tossed this together, another tight round for us

Mrblonde vs

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RootRanger vs

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Jippy vs

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PlayerOa vs

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Ralouf vs

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Jaymanfu vs

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Discard
Twin dragons - all 30 cards
eqbow - 1 skull shield, 3 mummy, 3 lightning, 1 earthquake, 1 bone pillar


Salvage
Darkness(9) - 1 shockwave, 1 gargoyle, 1 steal, 3 graboids, 3 nova
Gravity(9) - 9 gravity pends


Conversion(10 pillars / 4 pends)
9 gravity pends
5 abyss crawlers

Remaining cards in vault
4 dim shields
1 cloak
1 vamp dagger
2 poison
3 arsenics
3 graboids
2 stoneskin
1 lycan
3 nova
1 deflag
2 forest spirits

[RootRanger]

Thanks for getting decks posted.

My only large changes would be to use a Rainbow against UW and a Mono against Time. Underworld's main form of denial is EQ and Discord, while Time's main form of denial is RT. The Rainbow is much better matched against Discord/EQ and the Mono is better matched against RT. I notice that you want to use a lot of PC against Time and a way to bypass wings against UW, but there is a better way to accomplish this.

I didn't check the pillars/pends yet, but we should be fine, since we can convert. Changes in bold.

Underworld

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Strength changes: Much more resistant to UW's denial, a lot faster, and its defense is almost as good. Its only increased weaknesses are BH and RT, but I don't expect UW to have those.
Vault changes: Compared to the Time rainbow, +1 Lycan, +1 Spirit, +2 Arsenic. They were all in our leftover cards. -1 Shockwave, -1 Steal.

Earth
+1 Short Sword, -4 Mummies, +1 Dragon (we need something expensive to absorb the late-game quanta), +2 Flesh Recluses (upgraded).

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This doesn't really change this deck strategically, it just allows our next deck to be legal.

First, we need to Recover 1 Bonewall from jippy's deck instead of the pillar.
We will change our Darkness salvage from 1 Shockwave, 1 Gargoyle, 1 Steal ---> 2 Steals, 1 Vampire Stiletto.
This allows us to have everything in our old mono +1 Bonewall, +3 steals, +1 Vamp Stiletto, +3 Mummies, but at the cost of -2 Flesh Recluses and -1 Dragon.

Time

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Strength changes: The damage is about equal because, with our old deck, it would be risky to evolve the graboids since they could easily get RTed. Here, once again I use 6 Mummies and 2 Dragons if their RTs are lured away, overall both decks should have about the same damage. However, this deck has stronger PC (Steal > Deflag) with improved defense because of 3 Bonewalls.
Vault changes: I think everything is legal if we tweak our conversions a bit.

Aether

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No major changes here. I just wanted 6 SSs.
+2 Stone Skins, -1 Earth Pend, -1 Bone Pillars, +2 Death Pends.


OK, done. This looks like a lot, but the only major changes are for the Time and Underworld decks.
Unless someone wants to change something, we can add these to the vault. I'll be back on tomorrow.

[Jaymanfu]

Hmmm well I see at least 1 thing, we can't get 5 total steals I think only 4 so we gotta figure out how to get -1 of those, the deck vs time seems ok, maybe a little underquanta'd not sure.
Speed is the key vs underworld so the grabow might work. more dmg in earth is good.
 Ya the deck vs aether I was trying to make it a little smaller to get early shields and quicker EQ's and faster quantum is why I had it lower, more SS is probably fine.

[MrBlonde]

lol... Jay. i. <3. u. 

Came on right now to start doing decks (330am) i'm so happy. Goodnight.

[RootRanger]

Hmmm well I see at least 1 thing, we can't get 5 total steals I think only 4 so we gotta figure out how to get -1 of those, the deck vs time seems ok, maybe a little underquanta'd not sure.
Speed is the key vs underworld so the grabow might work. more dmg in earth is good.
 Ya the deck vs aether I was trying to make it a little smaller to get early shields and quicker EQ's and faster quantum is why I had it lower, more SS is probably fine.

Oh, right, so we can use 2 in Blonde's deck and add a tower.