Round 1 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting

[kev]

I think we could probably merge this thread with the official S/D/P/C thread Step created.  Easier to have discussion in the official thread.  Any objections?

I'd be in favor of making sdpc decisions while we build decks for Round 2.  No sense in getting ahead of ourselves, and while taking (for instance) six blessings might make sense at the moment it might stop us from considering we have six chargers at our disposal while building blonde's deck against Aether next round.

[SteppingStone81]

I think we could probably merge this thread with the official S/D/P/C thread Step created.  Easier to have discussion in the official thread.  Any objections?

I'd be in favor of making sdpc decisions while we build decks for Round 2.  No sense in getting ahead of ourselves, and while taking (for instance) six blessings might make sense at the moment it might stop us from considering we have six chargers at our disposal while building blonde's deck against Aether next round.

this makes sense ... merge away.

[Marvaddin]

Just to remember, I need the discussions about discard / salvage done before I can organize the Vault.

What are we going to salvage? Pillars to discard, I suppose.

[icecoldbro]

Just to remember, I need the discussions about discard / salvage done before I can organize the Vault.

What are we going to salvage? Pillars to discard, I suppose.

Yup Pillars are gonna be discarded, Id just put on discards 6 death pillars and 6 death pendulum.

[SteppingStone81]

Just to remember, I need the discussions about discard / salvage done before I can organize the Vault.

What are we going to salvage? Pillars to discard, I suppose.

Unfortunately, we will not finalize salvage/discard/conversion decisions until round 2 decks are finalized.  (Just in case we want to use some salvaged cards in a deck).

[Marvaddin]

Agreed, of course. Just to say, Im ready to edit the vault once the discussion is over.

And a question, is there a deadline?

[Marvaddin]

Salvaging
2 x Deflagration
2 x Earthquake
4 x Graboid
2 x Animate Weapon

Discarding
10 x Death Pillar
10 x Death Pendulum

Penalties
N/A

Converting
10 x Death Pillar
10 x Death Pendulum

Im pretty sure this is wrong. Our Vault should get +10 cards after round 1, according to official Standings. We are supposed to salvage 6 cards from each opponent deck, so 30, not 10. And we should discard 18 cards, not 20. And we converted 2 cards, not 20. How am I suppose to do my job with wrong info? Should I salvage what I think its better? Dont think so, so please lets correct this info. As people are mostly offline theses days, I will start a thread to make this problem a bit more visible.

[kev]

Im pretty sure this is wrong. Our Vault should get +10 cards after round 1, according to official Standings. We are supposed to salvage 6 cards from each opponent deck, so 30, not 10. And we should discard 18 cards, not 20. And we converted 2 cards, not 20. How am I suppose to do my job with wrong info? Should I salvage what I think its better? Dont think so, so please lets correct this info. As people are mostly offline theses days, I will start a thread to make this problem a bit more visible.

There was a fair amount of discussion between Step and blonde on this topic in team chat.  blonde's conclusion is that we can net discards with salvage and not have to specify each.

[Marvaddin]

This is confusing, it looks like 20 cards discarded and 20 converted, I think we should keep each as its own type. Or remove one of the types, which I think its worse.

Anyway, I just realized I got my job done by the general. Well, I feel useless

Other than that, even if there was a discussion in chat about salvaged cards, I think they should be posted in the forum. I dont want to check the whole vault to know what cards we got. You guys do everything in chat, but some prefer the forum, even because its hard to be on all the time.

[SteppingStone81]

This is confusing, it looks like 20 cards discarded and 20 converted, I think we should keep each as its own type. Or remove one of the types, which I think its worse.

Anyway, I just realized I got my job done by the general. Well, I feel useless

Other than that, even if there was a discussion in chat about salvaged cards, I think they should be posted in the forum. I dont want to check the whole vault to know what cards we got. You guys do everything in chat, but some prefer the forum, even because its hard to be on all the time.

The format of sdpc is dictated by SG.  It has its merits:

gross gain to vault = salvaged cards + converted cardsgross loss to vault = penalties + discarded cards

For modifying the vault, this should be straightforward:

Add any salvaged cards to vaultRemove any discarded cards from vaultRemove any penalty cards from vaultAdd any converted cards to vault

As to the specifics, we salvaged 10 cards and converted 20 more to pillars/pend (+30 gross).  We discarded 18 for our losses plus 2 for the upped cards in fractal recluse (-20 gross).  We netted +10 cards.

[Marvaddin]

Ahhh, I think now I got it. I was thinking it wrong because earlier the cards we have used to get upped spiders last round were appearing as converted. But now I understand the math. Dont remeber about reading about converting cards, however. Possible to convert just to our element Pillar and Pendulum, I suppose. Now it makes sense, we just got our discarded cards back and  those 10 salvaged cards.