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possible deck lists to use https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51355.msg1099687#msg1099687
« on: September 28, 2013, 11:43:26 pm »
I'm tossing some ideas around from what I see in our current draft of vault right now. Also, will post some other decks that may reflect on consideration of editing our current vault before it is submitted.

Feel free to post your ideas as well guys  :).

War (PoisonGrabBow) (no ups yet)
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 vs ai3 (yes, i know ai3 does not reflect pvp performance. this test was done to better spot weaknesses and strengths of this deck through occurrence of hand/draw and vs some strategies) this deck was:

36 wins - 4 losses: 4 losses came from

lack of quanta sources vs death/entropy with cat/graveyard/bonewall/vulture start,
loss by 1 turn vs air/life spamming FFQ/bonds/owl'seyeshots,
water/fire loss by 1 life thanks to a spam of freeze/shield/steamers against several turns of only poison and 1 mummy,
life/entropy liking maxwells and discords too much.

Pros: Lots of damage power through strengths of poisonbows and grabbows, couple forms of pc/cc, rush, the pend helps with RT cc (vs -1 pen +1 pillar)
Cons: Lack of cc/pc vs field-filling strategies, prone to cc/pc, purify or heavy healing, quanta denial,  :gravity (oty+momentum, gravitypull spam, black hole/nymph)

Thoughts for edits:
about 1/2 the games, there is an excess of  :death :earth quanta.
need for more creatures can debatable
lack of outside elements
momentum would help vs some forms of cc and shields

Pestilence and Famine (DiscoDeath) (no ups yet)
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vs ai3 (see 1st deck spoiler) this deck was:

36 wins - 4 losses: the 4 losses came from
air/light playing a turn 2 pegasus with every turn following having dive, while i had no discord/bonewall/maxwell
otys/momentumcreatures vs no discord and low quanta
rainbow gave me a taste of my own medicine via discord
monoaether doing monoaether things while my poisons were apparently on bottom of my deck

the deck was made in mind of making monodeath include some forms of counter to what would be expected counters/weaknesses, mainly late game - as entropy can slow an opponents build to late game

pros: early discord can provide a fat W, most of what makes monodeath rush powerful can be found here, bonewalls provide "just enough" defense, decent cc from maxwell
cons: better quanta denial beats this, death quanta hungry, only 2 discords (i only have 2, but i can try farming more - which has proven unsuccessful last month), purify and heavy healing, strong rushes can easily overwhelm the maxwells - especially monofire, superstalls (dim shield chain, hope)

thoughts for edits:
maxwells are currently not in our vault draft - should this substitute them for something else or warrant a change in vault?
number of pillars vs pend - it seemed balanced in quanta, but death is hungry (not quite starved, if upped spiders take place of mummys or etc that should lower cost some)
the walls - they were added and to me proved to be the "just enough" defense the deck needed and synergized with maxwells, but maybe a change could be made for speed/power? what about diss shield - since late quanta is abundant in entropy?

note: I can also test these in other formats if you all would like, or anyone can test
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Re: possible deck lists to use https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51355.msg1099697#msg1099697
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2013, 04:10:13 am »
Disco disco!

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I got QUANTA WITH OUT PILLARS HUE HUE

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Spiders with wings.. the world just got worse?

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Re: possible deck lists to use https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51355.msg1099698#msg1099698
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2013, 05:13:17 am »
Going through Death Thread Archive for decks made/used in previous wars - to have a nice tidy collection here.

Almost all of these I found without titles, so I may have given them titles just to make it look nice.
note: many of these will need editing if used in order to limit number of cards needed in vault for them (especially pillars/pends)

Dark/Death (I will call it Stolen Souls)
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Air/Death (Death is in the Air)
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the 2nd was noted by mrblonde as war 2's most successful

Fractal Spiders
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Aether/Death (Death by Old Age)
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Speed Poison
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Fire/Death (Rage Virus)
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Light/Death (Walk into the Light)
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DeathQuake
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xn0ize's lightstall poison
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was this used? how well did it do?

Earth/Death (Armored Arsenic)
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Silence! Fractal Spider Time
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Dead Grabboids
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Undead Phoenixes
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Death/Time (Ancestors)
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Titan Wall
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Re: possible deck lists to use https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51355.msg1099891#msg1099891
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 02:41:41 pm »
Well looks like we have to work about decks because I don't really like what I saw, I'll put most of them with 6 upps and we can always remove/add after

Burn to death
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flying arse
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Pandebonium
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black domin :
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PU drag :
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discodeath :
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Mono death :
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Eq recluse :
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Death stall :
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Bonebolt :
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Re: possible deck lists to use https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51355.msg1099903#msg1099903
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2013, 04:33:28 pm »
The decks xyan and i posted are mainly from previous wars, I hadn't the time to build.
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Re: possible deck lists to use https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51355.msg1100118#msg1100118
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 12:15:26 am »
After ai tests (only for comparison purposes to see large variations in statistics) i have eliminated SOME of the decks from here and mock vault.

these are what are left -- for us to look at, edit, and test through pvp against possible decks we will see

are these the only decks we could possibly use? no. but they are the decks we've posted so far with some taken out based on obvious stat differences, however some taken out may be direct counters to certain elements (notes deathlight stall vs quanta control)

we are running out of time, we need testing done

we can run 7-8 decks with major differences, however we can have more if overlapping of cards allows




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monodeath
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grabbow death
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aether duo psions
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fractalcluse
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stalls

pdials
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wardenshield
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pandebonium
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bonebolt
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winged death
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this with unupped AW most likely
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pugons
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ralouf's lightstall
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denial/control/domin

darkness duo
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ragewall
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pestilence and famine
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discodeath
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eq recluse
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cp discotek
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discotek
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Re: possible deck lists to use https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51355.msg1100258#msg1100258
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 07:22:51 pm »
now would be the time to come up with any last minute deck ideas, make mods of current decks in the list (my last post), and add thoughts of which ones in each type category should be used to make up our vault (along with extras that could be the basis of what cards we select as salvages from opponents).
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Re: possible deck lists to use https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51355.msg1100312#msg1100312
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 10:46:24 pm »
So as I said we need all the darkness cards twice to be able whether to play it tiwce the same round, whether to discard it completely and still have one. Apart from mono death it's our stronger choice.

i think we really need :

Mono, darkness *2, EQ, aether (dim shield, lightning, maybe some fractal/PU), disco, fire duo, maybe light if we have some space, one rainbow, one winged deck, maybe the second air deck I posted but it's better with 9 or more upps, pandebonium and poison dial. Does all this stuff fits into our vault ?
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Re: possible deck lists to use https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51355.msg1100314#msg1100314
« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2013, 10:58:42 pm »
If we pick only 30 card decks without using discard fodder, we can fit 8 complete decks with 3 cards in vault to spare. However if we salvage more than we discard we could have more decks down the road. (243 after propaganda)

as far as the decks posted, ill see what rob thinks about doubling the key dark cards, we already have monodeath as a must, pandebonium also, pu-gons looks like a solid play, same for dark duo, the winged death i posted has a clear higher consistency than other air duos through comparison tests, pdials of course for LT/G, a disco or eq deck. this makes 7

other possibles that could be used are ragewall, bonebolt, the grabbow, a 2nd monodeath, fracluse or aether duo with psions, the other of disco or eq not chosen above, and deathlight stall,  appear to be standing above the rest.

however we choose, the more overlap we have = more decks can be playable. more death we have = less salvages we have to convert to death cards at 2 to 1 ratio.

keep in mind ralouf that decks requiring more than 3 ups to work are LT/G only.
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Re: possible deck lists to use https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51355.msg1100334#msg1100334
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013, 12:11:36 am »
Quote from: ralouf on October 02, 2013, 10:46:24 pm
So as I said we need all the darkness cards twice to be able whether to play it tiwce the same round, whether to discard it completely and still have one. Apart from mono death it's our stronger choice.

i think we really need :

Mono, darkness *2, EQ, aether (dim shield, lightning, maybe some fractal/PU), disco, fire duo, maybe light if we have some space, one rainbow, one winged deck, maybe the second air deck I posted but it's better with 9 or more upps, pandebonium and poison dial. Does all this stuff fits into our vault ?

The current Death Vault is here:  Vault as-of-now

Right now, it is squeezed and massaged to be able to build 9 decks (note:  this takes into account the sharing of some cards so not 9 decks in the same round... never needed but didn't want the '9' to be misleading):

1 - Darkness Duo (the key Darkness cards have double-copies to cover a loss early with it)
2 - Pandebonium *BW **Poison
3 - Bonebolt *BW **Poison
4 - PDials *BW **Poison
5 - Winged Death (this is has tested better than the Fire Duo...)
6 - Grabbow *BW
7 - PU-gons
8 - Mono-death  **Poison (mostly doubled up in Vault as well)
9 - Discotek

Note:  Bonewall is heavily used so that may limit what decks we can simultaneously utilize, but it leaves options for choices still (we can only have max of 15 BW at any time in vault!).  Poison is used even more heavily than Bonewall... basically we can field AT MOST (3) decks listed above as **Poison any given round.
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Re: possible deck lists to use https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=51355.msg1100538#msg1100538
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013, 11:41:43 pm »
The current vault sits at the above decks + fracluse.

we have 10 decks able to choose from to field each round, however due to restrictions of some cards, decks dependent on cards labeled in red in the mock vault will be restricted to how many we can use at the same time.
these include: bone dragon, flesh spider, poison, arsenic, bonewall, and any cards that we have copies that need to be shared between 2 decks (such as dim shields/fractal from PU-gons and fracluse)
also note: there are decks we are fielding meant for the 6 ups that LT/G consistently get as a bonus (maybe event cards will allow more ups for soldiers).
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