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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368777#msg368777
« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2011, 11:54:18 am »
Normally I would want to say more but....... what in gods green earth?
Ok I will say more.
Will poison damage them still?
From what I hear holy flash and healing will cause damage, right?
If you stall and then use this card and keep a few silence in hand to play right after you cast it then holy flash will not work. However an antimatter creature that was anti-mattered before that had first attack would finish it.
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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368792#msg368792
« Reply #49 on: July 20, 2011, 12:35:46 pm »
i personally think it will be nerfed by only 2 turns.

5 turns is quite stupid.

but in a good way.this will make holy flash as awesome as hell.
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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368793#msg368793
« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2011, 12:37:40 pm »
i personally think it will be nerfed by only 2 turns.

5 turns is quite stupid.

but in a good way.this will make holy flash as awesome as hell.
I agree 2 turns is about right. It is not just stopping attacks for 2 turns but healing from those attacks. That is almost a 4 turn swing in damage. ( I say almost because they will have more damage as the game goes on. )
Also funny thought but wont this nerf the death and darkness elements if people are running around with holy flashes now?

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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368829#msg368829
« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2011, 02:55:01 pm »
2 turns may be to low for this, I was thinking 3.  They need some time to recoup hp.  If you are sacraficing your hp from max to 1 you lose 99 hp assuming no growth.  For losing 99 hp, this card better have some effect that is worthwhile.  As I've said before, its essentially a voodoo doll combo on a timer so this 1 card is similar to a current 3-4 card combo.

As with voodoo doll, if you know its comming, sometimes the best thing to do is nothing.  If you don't attack, they will be at 1 hp when the SoS goes down. at that point, you can just hit them with anything for the kill. 

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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368835#msg368835
« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2011, 03:03:14 pm »
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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368849#msg368849
« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2011, 03:31:10 pm »
Before everyone gets up in arms over this thing, I'd like to bring up two important facts.
1, This is a rare card, Just like Nymph or the Weapon cards of the elements before it, it will be rare to see someone lucky enough to obtain it.
2, There will be a shard for ALL the elements, and one of those may counter this one perfectly, or be powerful in it's own way.
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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368851#msg368851
« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2011, 03:35:13 pm »
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you mean 5 sundials? lol

Before everyone gets up in arms over this thing, I'd like to bring up two important facts.
1, This is a rare card, Just like Nymph or the Weapon cards of the elements before it, it will be rare to see someone lucky enough to obtain it.
2, There will be a shard for ALL the elements, and one of those may counter this one perfectly, or be powerful in it's own way.
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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368853#msg368853
« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2011, 03:36:24 pm »
Before everyone gets up in arms over this thing, I'd like to bring up two important facts.
1, This is a rare card, Just like Nymph or the Weapon cards of the elements before it, it will be rare to see someone lucky enough to obtain it.
2, There will be a shard for ALL the elements, and one of those may counter this one perfectly, or be powerful in it's own way.
Rarity isnt a deciding factor in balance. People will get it eventually.
Meanwhile, I do agree that we should wait on the rest of the shards to see how powerful they will be. Perhaps the shards are suppose to be more powerful than the other cards (although 5 turns still seems TOO powerful)
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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368859#msg368859
« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2011, 03:41:20 pm »
Before everyone gets up in arms over this thing, I'd like to bring up two important facts.
1, This is a rare card, Just like Nymph or the Weapon cards of the elements before it, it will be rare to see someone lucky enough to obtain it.
2, There will be a shard for ALL the elements, and one of those may counter this one perfectly, or be powerful in it's own way.
1. With increased rarity comes an increased need for balance
2. SoS is not balanced by being countered by Holy Light. That just exacerbates the metagame influence of the card. A card should not be powerful enough that a  counter is required to be competitive.



Fix:
Lose x/nths of your current hp, healing and damage are reversed, lasts 3 turns.

Example:
Lose half your current hp, healing and damage are reversed, lasts 3 turns.
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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368865#msg368865
« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2011, 03:50:39 pm »

Fix:
Lose x/nths of your current hp, healing and damage are reversed, lasts 3 turns.

Example:
Lose half your current hp, healing and damage are reversed, lasts 3 turns.
I like the idea of going down to 1 health personally.
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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368876#msg368876
« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2011, 04:19:29 pm »
2, There will be a shard for ALL the elements, and one of those may counter this one perfectly, or be powerful in it's own way.
In fact if you read the chat logs, one already does..water's shard will probably be one that freezes permanents.  Also any other form of permanent control would work against this.
Freeze it, steal it, explode it, pulverize it, or otherwise deal with it and you have an easy win.  Unless of course they can play this, nova or tower to gain  :earth, and then PA it all in one turn.  Even then, unless they also can "damage" themself somehow, you can still play holy flash or antimatter your creatures or find some other way to "heal" them for the last 1hp they have.  So at least half of the elements have a direct counter to this by either removing the effect of the shard from your opponent somehow or by simply "healing" the last hp to win directly.

Not saying this thing won't necessarily be proven to be OP at some point, but it will need to be tested carefully first.  It is far from being as obvious as it may seem from just a quick look at the effect of the card.

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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368877#msg368877
« Reply #59 on: July 20, 2011, 04:21:00 pm »
Seems to me this card gets used in three situations:

1) A desperation move when you are about to die anyways (it gets added to a deck that has no other means of healing and has a bad match up vs certain rush decks)

2) A planned gambit (a deck built around this card and almost only this card)

3) By someone with more balls than brains - PC will own you

The concern here is with option #2 - will this card lead to decks that cannot be beaten without taking a hard counter - if that is the case the card is OP - I think it likely is - but I have that opinion about cards all the time when they are previewed only to discover in the trainer that they are not as bad as feared. Remember the fear of Silence on its first preview - I among many others was decrying the cards huge OPness - turns out we were all crazy.

Sure there will be balance issues with the card - it probably does last too long - but the concept is cool and brings something new to the game - hard to argue with that.
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