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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368698#msg368698
« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2011, 05:27:14 am »
You can't really call Stone Tower a card in combo, BP.  If you do that, then you have to acknowledge that Miracle+Phase Shield is a three-card combo (with Aether Pendulum and a Mark of Light).  Not to mention the fact that Phase Shield is vulnerable to poison, spell damage, permanent control, and Momentum.  Shard of Sacrifice, as far as anyone can tell, isn't vulnerable to any of those things. 

No, PA + Shard of Sacrifice is a TWO-card combo, and it's one that is extraordinarily powerful for exactly the reason that Isei said.   While it might lead to people actually playing Holy Flash (and will certainly also increase the incidence of Antimatter), that's not a good reason why the card isn't OP.
Sorry essence, I have to disagree with you. Remember, Shard of Sacrifice will destroy your earth quanta as well, so you have to have a stone tower in your hand or nova, to be able to play pa after using the shard.

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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368699#msg368699
« Reply #37 on: July 20, 2011, 05:27:55 am »
You can't really call Stone Tower a card in combo, BP.  If you do that, then you have to acknowledge that Miracle+Phase Shield is a three-card combo (with Aether Pendulum and a Mark of Light).  Not to mention the fact that Phase Shield is vulnerable to poison, spell damage, permanent control, and Momentum.  Shard of Sacrifice, as far as anyone can tell, isn't vulnerable to any of those things. 

No, PA + Shard of Sacrifice is a TWO-card combo, and it's one that is extraordinarily powerful for exactly the reason that Isei said.   While it might lead to people actually playing Holy Flash (and will certainly also increase the incidence of Antimatter), that's not a good reason why the card isn't OP.
Sorry essence, I have to disagree with you. Remember, Shard of Sacrifice will destroy your earth quanta as well, so you have to have a stone tower in your hand or nova, to be able to play pa after using the shard.

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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368705#msg368705
« Reply #38 on: July 20, 2011, 05:56:43 am »
So... I haven't seen any discussion on Stone Skin + Shard of Sacrifice. What happens if the shard is in play and you decide to cast Stone Skin? The hp added has, by and large, been considered a hp increase and not healing. What's the verdict?

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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368707#msg368707
« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2011, 06:16:46 am »
6 novas 6 PA's 6 SoS 6 arsenic 5 flying weapon and a relic mark of death  <--- this will be my new FG deck

As for stone skin i am guess thing it will still increase the max HP but with reduce your actual health by the same amount
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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368710#msg368710
« Reply #40 on: July 20, 2011, 06:22:53 am »
Yeah, I agree with Sevs, since casting miracle when SoS in play will set your HP to 1, I think Stone skin will probably increase you max HP and do the same amount of damage according to your earth quanta. About using this vs AI, I hope zanz would do something about that. >.<

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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368714#msg368714
« Reply #41 on: July 20, 2011, 06:40:15 am »
i won't even bother reading all the posts, because i just have one thing to say: Ridiculous card

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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368744#msg368744
« Reply #42 on: July 20, 2011, 09:52:53 am »
Regarding the art: This is the unupgraded card art. I imagine the upgraded art will be shiny like all the others.

As for Stone Skin, the card does two things: Increases maximum HP by X (amount of :earth), and heals for X. So with SoS (awesome coincidentally fitting acronym), it would increase maximum HP by X and damage you for X. Same goes for Shard of Divinity.

At least, I assume that's how it's coded. Otherwise, it could potentially lower maximum health by X.
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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368748#msg368748
« Reply #43 on: July 20, 2011, 10:04:11 am »
Gamebreakingly bad :/

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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368755#msg368755
« Reply #44 on: July 20, 2011, 10:30:28 am »
Heal should totally become a target spell now.

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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368768#msg368768
« Reply #45 on: July 20, 2011, 11:04:14 am »
Heal should totally become a target spell now.
Meh, USEM would become a lot slower.
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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368771#msg368771
« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2011, 11:15:47 am »
So... I haven't seen any discussion on Stone Skin + Shard of Sacrifice. What happens if the shard is in play and you decide to cast Stone Skin? The hp added has, by and large, been considered a hp increase and not healing. What's the verdict?
I would certainly say it SHOULD damage you in that case.  I'm guessing that is likely to be one of the details Zanz hadn't considered yet though ;).  In any case, note that your quanta was reset when the card came into play so you probably won't have a huge amount of it to heal that much life until at least the third turn or so(by which point your opponent's attacks will likely have healed back much of your health anyway in most cases).  Odds are if you survived that long without SoS being destroyed or your opponent finding some way to kill you, you'd be able to wait until after the effect wears off anyway(in this case, might even be worth having some way to intentionally destroy SoS on the last turn so you can play SS immediately instead of ending turn, having it disappear, then waiting for the next turn)

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Re: Shard of Sacrifice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=28840.msg368772#msg368772
« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2011, 11:21:26 am »
Not sure why everyone is talking about how awesome holy flash will be.
SoS sets health to 1.  Opponent "heals" you for 10.  You lose.  and yes, I just tested HF in trainer on myself with death mark and it does heal you normally, not damage, so it would work.

 

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