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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg114273#msg114273
« Reply #60 on: July 14, 2010, 01:45:39 pm »
All the scorpions got their names from real scorpion species
Great. Now maybe we can change the game description, from "free online fantasy card game" to "free online semi-realistic card game", or "free online fantasy card game with real species names to the scorpions". Jokes aside, dunno why having real names is any good, maybe you could clarify a bit. Please, dont misunderstand me, I dont intend to be unpolite, just to know if this is in the "I do this game the way I like" section, or if its up to discussion.

But thanks anyway for your time, friend. I know you have little time and wasnt even expecting an answer from you.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg114286#msg114286
« Reply #61 on: July 14, 2010, 02:07:55 pm »
Somewhat agree that it's a bit weak. Either giving it one attack or increasing the poison to 3 counters per attack would be nice. Both Death and Water were the sole poison dealers before these card ideas came about and since Pufferfish is getting a buff, it's not a bad idea to buff up this card a tiny bit. I've tested it and it can't really do speed, but it definitely works well in drawn out games. Drawn out games were pretty much utilizing Vampires with this Scorpion in my case.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg114313#msg114313
« Reply #62 on: July 14, 2010, 02:41:23 pm »
All the scorpions got their names from real scorpion species
Great. Now maybe we can change the game description, from "free online fantasy card game" to "free online semi-realistic card game", or "free online fantasy card game with real species names to the scorpions". Jokes aside, dunno why having real names is any good, maybe you could clarify a bit. Please, dont misunderstand me, I dont intend to be unpolite, just to know if this is in the "I do this game the way I like" section, or if its up to discussion.

But thanks anyway for your time, friend. I know you have little time and wasnt even expecting an answer from you.
He was just replying to the fact that you said it wasn't a very scorpion like name where as it obviously is considering a scorpions called that in real life.

On an unrelated note that was a truly dreadful joke.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg114393#msg114393
« Reply #63 on: July 14, 2010, 04:29:52 pm »
After more testing, let me give some constructive feedback on why this scorpion is not that great.

First thing, its slow, as any other deck that requires all combo cards available to start working. It is also more prone to bad draws as combos are required to be drawn in the predetermined order.

Now, you need to pick your buff to be able to use the card. Momentums and Eclipse are the first natural choices.
Momentum / Deathstalker deck is heavily countered by lobo and rewinds (along with damaging creature control cards). And thats "you lost at loading screen" counter. Rewind is especially painful here as you get your creature back that is completely useless with that buff card you just lost.
Eclipse is not affected by rewinds, and has an advantage that you only really have to draw one of those (providing no perma control) for all your scorpions. But if you buff it with eclipse, you get countered by every possible control in the game.

Really, I see no advantage in taking this as opposed to good ol' fashioned poison decks. It is slower, it is more prone to bad draws, and takes more cards to setup as for every scorpion you need its buff.
It is easy to compare its damage directly to :water / :death deck. Chrysaora/Physalia take one card to do 1 poison, scorpion takes 2 cards to do 2 poisons. Both are duo decks, but :water / :death deck works much smoother and faster (not to mention it uses element that has pretty awesome stalling cards + Purify). If Puffers are getting their deserved buff, Deathstalker is definitely not the card you want to build deck around.

And just to mention: Blessings are slowest of all buff cards, and if you really want to use :light , there are tons of better cards to buff with +3|+3. Chaos Power is unreliable, but open a gate for introducing :entropy cards which are powerful as hell. But again, if you're gonna use those, you're probably better off without Deathstalkers.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg114837#msg114837
« Reply #64 on: July 15, 2010, 04:11:21 am »
All the scorpions got their names from real scorpion species
Great. Now maybe we can change the game description, from "free online fantasy card game" to "free online semi-realistic card game", or "free online fantasy card game with real species names to the scorpions". Jokes aside, dunno why having real names is any good, maybe you could clarify a bit. Please, dont misunderstand me, I dont intend to be unpolite, just to know if this is in the "I do this game the way I like" section, or if its up to discussion.

But thanks anyway for your time, friend. I know you have little time and wasnt even expecting an answer from you.
He was just replying to the fact that you said it wasn't a very scorpion like name where as it obviously is considering a scorpions called that in real life.

On an unrelated note that was a truly dreadful joke.
I realized that, but anyway the name could still be much more scorpion like. Real scorpions names have nothing to do with this, this is a fantasy game.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg114839#msg114839
« Reply #65 on: July 15, 2010, 04:16:54 am »
All the scorpions got their names from real scorpion species
Great. Now maybe we can change the game description, from "free online fantasy card game" to "free online semi-realistic card game", or "free online fantasy card game with real species names to the scorpions". Jokes aside, dunno why having real names is any good, maybe you could clarify a bit. Please, dont misunderstand me, I dont intend to be unpolite, just to know if this is in the "I do this game the way I like" section, or if its up to discussion.

But thanks anyway for your time, friend. I know you have little time and wasnt even expecting an answer from you.
He was just replying to the fact that you said it wasn't a very scorpion like name where as it obviously is considering a scorpions called that in real life.

On an unrelated note that was a truly dreadful joke.
I realized that, but anyway the name could still be much more scorpion like. Real scorpions names have nothing to do with this, this is a fantasy game.
Even though it's a fantasy game, having things make sense when possible makes... sense.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg115141#msg115141
« Reply #66 on: July 15, 2010, 05:44:05 pm »
Perhaps raising Deadly Venom to 3 poison counters?  Would that fix some of the UP issues?

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg115163#msg115163
« Reply #67 on: July 15, 2010, 06:26:59 pm »
Perhaps raising Deadly Venom to 3 poison counters?  Would that fix some of the UP issues?
That is probably a better solution than giving it attack stat. Deck built around Deathstalker would still be relatively easy to counter and slowish to setup, but would have good damage potential if you manage to actually set it up.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg116575#msg116575
« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2010, 03:06:16 am »
Been taking the deathstalker out for a test-drive in the trainer--one bit of good news: continues to add poison counters even when anti-mattered.  I suppose the same is true for pufferfish (never actually tried it.)  You'll notice the negative attack spares it from Fireshield and targeting by the AI's sniping.  LOLZ

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg116579#msg116579
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2010, 03:19:17 am »
Been taking the deathstalker out for a test-drive in the trainer--one bit of good news: continues to add poison counters even when anti-mattered.  I suppose the same is true for pufferfish (never actually tried it.)  You'll notice the negative attack spares it from Fireshield and targeting by the AI's sniping.  LOLZ
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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg116703#msg116703
« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2010, 10:12:14 am »
I would think that making it 3 poison counters may OP it a little. If you play a fractal/scorpion deck, with darkness mark for eclipse, you could deal insane amounts of poison. It would be deadly poison on a stick.

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Re: Deathstalker | Deathstalker https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9468.msg116704#msg116704
« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2010, 10:18:40 am »
The problem with that is that you need three different kinds of quanta. It would be fastest to go with Nightfall, but even then, a simple shield could overthrow it.

Have you tested how consistent your games are with Fractal, Deathstalker, and Eclipse in your deck? It was really slow for me and had a high chance to have screwed up draws. There is no protection like a Hope deck, so once you bring out the combo, often it's too late to recover.

 

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