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Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210221#msg210221
« on: November 26, 2010, 09:21:42 pm »
Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting

Salvage/Discard time had started.



Salvaging

(vagman13 :entropy)
2x :entropy Lycanthrope
4x :darkness Devourer

(Gyrodiot :air)
1x :entropy Purple Dragon
1x :entropy Discord
2x :entropy Antimatter
2x :entropy Pandemonium

(gocubbies1212 :aether)
1x :darkness Dusk Mantle
2x :darkness Steel
2x :darkness Nightfall
1x :aether Fractal


Discarding

(Kuroaitou  :darkness)
5x :aether Lightning
5x :aether Fractal
9x :darkness Dark Pendulum
5x :darkness Devourer
1x :darkness Dusk Mantle
2x :darkness Nightfall
2x :darkness Minor Vampire
1x :darkness Vampire Dagger

(lokiburn4 :darkness)
3x :air Wings
5x :air ShockWave
2x :air Owl's Eye
1x :air Fog Shield
11x :darkness Dark Pendulum
2x :darkness Minor Vampire
1x :darkness Drain Life
1x :darkness Nightfall
3x :darkness Black Dragon
1x :darkness Obsidian Pillar

(theonlyrealbeef :darkness)
6x :aether Aether Pillar
6x :aether Dimensional Shield
3x :aether Phase Dragon
9x :darkness Dark Pendulum
1x :darkness Gargoyle
2x :darkness Minor Vampire
1x :darkness Vampire Dagger
1x :darkness Drain Life
1x :darkness Steal


Penalties
-N/a-

Converting
1x :gravity Momentum
1x :water Freeze
1x :entropy Dissipation Shield
1x :death Arsenic
2x :darkness Nightmare
3x :darkness Obsidian Pillar

CONVERTED INTO
9x :darkness Dark Pendulum



just for the sake of simplicity I'll sum up here the decks we are going to salvage/discard

DISCARD



SALVAGE

CARDS TO SALVAGE: 6
:darkness Kael Hate VS :entropy vagman13 2-0
Code: [Select]
4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5up 5up 61q
CARDS TO SALVAGE: 6
:darkness kobisjeruk VS :air Gyrodiot 2-0
Code: [Select]
4vf 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 4vo 4vo 4vp 4vp 5od 5od 5of 5of 5og 5oi 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu
CARDS TO SALVAGE: 6
:darkness guy_fawkes VS :aether gocubbies1212 2-1
Code: [Select]
5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5up 5up 5uq 5uq 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 622 622 622 622 63a 63a 63a

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Re: Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210234#msg210234
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2010, 09:47:27 pm »
might as well put down 3D's deck in the discard section

Kael Hate

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Re: Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210276#msg210276
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2010, 10:25:03 pm »
might as well put down 3D's deck in the discard section
Hopes for the double suicide

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Re: Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210304#msg210304
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2010, 10:48:35 pm »
at least there will be less drama about what to discard this round :P

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Re: Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210320#msg210320
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2010, 11:01:07 pm »
at least there will be less drama about what to discard this round :P
No need fro my uber spreadsheeting and calcs. :(

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Re: Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210344#msg210344
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2010, 11:30:32 pm »
vacation week for Kael :D

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Re: Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210353#msg210353
« Reply #6 on: November 26, 2010, 11:46:56 pm »
vacation week for Kael :D
not likely.

Lets hope Plastiqe wins but if he does it tips us another deck at 1 card tight

I'm thinking of taking over his deck just so we can't win a another penalty.

ATM -
VAULT MODIFIER 247 +18 -90 = 175??

If he wins, 151, 5 players fight using 150 cards... (1 over)

If he loses, 115, 3 playes fight using 90 cards... (25 over)

If I sub and win, 145, 4 players fight using 120 carrds ... (25 over)

Its best he doesn't play his game...



I'm talking to dd about subing a sub but it prolly wont go through. so I'll have to sub in to get the leeway. Stupid cards counts and not being allowed to discard.

Heck, as an alter to this if terroking uses graboids and we win thats a 3rd clean nova graboid deck we can build. what to do....

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Re: Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210365#msg210365
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2010, 12:07:13 am »
Having 4 decks with 3 Rainbow Graboids is not a good idea: counter Rainbow Graboid and they are almost ensured to win. Enough teams still have the ability to built such a counter (sadly). However I'm inclined to agree on subbing, since 1 card extra gives far too less room to build decent decks. I look upon it as this way: lose 6 cards by not salvaging (and thus subbing) or lose 30 by building a suicide deck. Not a hard choice then now?

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Re: Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210372#msg210372
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2010, 12:29:37 am »
I'm talking to dd about subing a sub but it prolly wont go through. so I'll have to sub in to get the leeway. Stupid cards counts and not being allowed to discard.

Heck, as an alter to this if terroking uses graboids and we win thats a 3rd clean nova graboid deck we can build. what to do....
Ok dd said no. If he plays his own game it isn't subbed.

So I play and we don't salvage or he plays OR I deliberately cause a penalty to fix the numbers.
The second option is harder to do but gives us a wider choice of cards because we can pick from terro if we win.

I could just edit decks after the fact so they don't match, and thats a6 card penalty.

Opinions?


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Re: Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210378#msg210378
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2010, 12:38:34 am »
Ok dd said no. If he plays his own game it isn't subbed.

So I play and we don't salvage or he plays OR I deliberately cause a penalty to fix the numbers.
The second option is harder to do but gives us a wider choice of cards because we can pick from terro if we win.

I could just edit decks after the fact so they don't match, and thats a6 card penalty.

Opinions?
...editing the decks after the match so that they don't match could be a 12 card penalty, because then that would be an illegal deck that we were using, right? ...

That said though, we should probably just let plastiqe play his match and see it unravel from there on out. Trying to force a penalty at this point (although tactically useful) might just rid us of the opportunity to beat down :earth, and even then, they've already had two suicide decks against :death (I have no idea why they used them both against the same element), meaning that this deck is either filled with other trash that can't be used, or could give us new cards for us to take up and use to last another few rounds or so...

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Re: Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210385#msg210385
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2010, 12:45:40 am »
Ok dd said no. If he plays his own game it isn't subbed.

So I play and we don't salvage or he plays OR I deliberately cause a penalty to fix the numbers.
The second option is harder to do but gives us a wider choice of cards because we can pick from terro if we win.

I could just edit decks after the fact so they don't match, and thats a6 card penalty.

Opinions?
...editing the decks after the match so that they don't match could be a 12 card penalty, because then that would be an illegal deck that we were using, right? ...

That said though, we should probably just let plastiqe play his match and see it unravel from there on out. Trying to force a penalty at this point (although tactically useful) might just rid us of the opportunity to beat down :earth, and even then, they've already had two suicide decks against :death (I have no idea why they used them both against the same element), meaning that this deck is either filled with other trash that can't be used, or could give us new cards for us to take up and use to last another few rounds or so...
What earth cards could we use other than graboids?

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Re: Round 6 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16423.msg210405#msg210405
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2010, 01:05:45 am »
What earth cards could we use other than graboids?
...maybe Earthquakes? >_>

But that's a stretch I suppose. I just wonder what plastiqe feels about this.

 

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