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Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200599#msg200599
« on: November 13, 2010, 10:22:51 pm »
New round, new matchups, here they are:

:darkness Guy_Fawkes
:time Brion

:life ratchetspyro94
:darkness 9270984

:gravity girlsgeneration
:darkness 3D House of Beef

:aether gocubbies1212
:darkness kobisjeruk

:light Ryan666
:darkness Kael Hate

:entropy SnoWeb
:darkness Theonlyrealbeef

:darkness Kuroaitou
:air Dogg

:darkness Lokiburn4
:fire jmdt

:entropy Kurohami
:darkness plastiqe

Here's out chance to take down the reign of Entropy, we get to face them twice.
Gravity might not be doing well but can be a beast upped, we need to be very careful not to underestimate anyone.

Edit: I looked through Entropy's deck last round and couldn't find much permanent control in there, and a lot of stall (diss shield, pands etcetera) and a few Protect Artifacts. Protect Artifacts are brilliant against our Steals and EQs so I wouldn't be surprised if they used those.

They love Discords so that Dim Shield stall with Drain Lifes is a bad idea (they'd scramble away the Darkness I need for the kill), I'm thinking about Quinted Dragons + Dim shield myself.

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Re: Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200606#msg200606
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2010, 10:35:39 pm »
i get life again. if no one else wants it, ill take fractal/devourer.(my favorite deck ever)
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Re: Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200612#msg200612
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2010, 10:46:11 pm »
As a note about Life, they used this deck last round to beat Fractal Devourer from Aether:
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5bu 5bu 5bu 5c2 5c6 5c6 5c7 5c7 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5lk 5lk 5lk 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oo
FFQ hope is really powerful against us but would totally fail against EQ denial, in fact most decks that might be powerful against us from Life use tons of Pendulums so that might be an option to consider, I haven't seen them pack a single Protect Artifact in any deck so far.

They also seem to have a Rainbow Graboid at their disposal.

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Re: Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200615#msg200615
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2010, 10:49:04 pm »
have we used and eq denial yet? and im also thinking about discord denial
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Re: Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200630#msg200630
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2010, 11:03:21 pm »
have we used and eq denial yet? and im also thinking about discord denial
We've used EQ denial twice so far, both times in round 2.
They didn't do well, bad draws and lack of damage are some painful points about it: might want to take a different deck than used back then.

Discord stops pillar rushes cold, but will be overcome in 2-5 rounds, depending on the amount of pillars.

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Re: Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200647#msg200647
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2010, 11:13:58 pm »
hmm im going to try and combine antimatter and discord denial in the trainer.
are there any good decks that we havent used yet? i think entropy should see a new deck.
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Re: Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200649#msg200649
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2010, 11:16:38 pm »
 :darkness VS  :aether

i'll probably go with either  :darkness :earth (dev+EQs) OR  :darkness :entropy (similar deck to what i've used R2)
will decide on which one later

@9#: i think you should use something other than fractal dev...particularly a deck that could beat rush or firefly spam

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Re: Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200656#msg200656
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2010, 11:21:00 pm »
i think i might run 3-4 haxx shields if i do run fractal. but im working on a duo with entropy that works so far.
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Re: Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200672#msg200672
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2010, 11:33:21 pm »
i was going to post in the news section but luckily we got to face him this round instead

be on the lookout for Ryan666
prepare to take screenshots from the beginning of fights
faced him today in tourney and he purposely left after drawing the starting hand (but he claims it was a connection problem and that he was never in the fight) and from what i heard the round before, same thing happened to his previous opponent
theres a major difference between playing vs AI or having your opponent purposely left early (timer will indicate your opponent have left the game)
not gonna go into details but this is what i call 'abusive timed outs'
i hate cheaters the most but unfortunately theres not much you can do when people do stuff like this
(theres only 5 seconds window to SS the game while the timer is still there) and you wont know for certain if they're telling the truth or if they're actually cheating

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Re: Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200679#msg200679
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2010, 11:45:09 pm »
Deck I'm thinking of using against entropy:
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5ul 5ul 5ul 5up 5up 5ur 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 61q 61q 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 621 621 621Idea is to keep chaining shields while you put up damage later with Quinted Dragons. Lightnings added in case they go for BE. (I'll have to actually use my brain while thinking up targets since if they're smart, they won't use BE untill the target can use it right away). What does it intend to counter? Late Discord, Antimatter and every bit of damage they throw at me.

Steals and Stiletto as standard arsenal, both are excellent cards, and Steal might help should they dare put up an unprotected Diss Shield.

Worst cases to face are BE spam or Protected Diss Shield (the one that was totally helpless against denial decks last round :) )

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Re: Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200688#msg200688
« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2010, 11:50:04 pm »
Liquid Shadow or the black nymphs can also take care of BE'd creatures
and if they are going for diss shield stall, expect up to 4 of it

momentums are awesome vs entropy
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Re: Round 4 - Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15674.msg200690#msg200690
« Reply #11 on: November 13, 2010, 11:53:26 pm »
Liquid Shadow or the black nymphs can also take care of BE'd creatures
and if they are going for diss shield stall, expect up to 4 of it
I though about LS, but Lightnings do it better while target's hp is low enough. Main reason I decide for Lightning was that LS would be bad for quanta distribution (which is quite good right now) leading to part pillars, part pendulums, which is asking for bad draws. And I don't have Black Nymphs, but since plastiqe goes against Entropy as well, he might be able make use of it.

 

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