Round 4 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting

[guy_fawkes]

Round 4 - Salvaging, Discarding, Penalties and Converting

Salvage/Discard time had started.


Salvaging

(Pervepic )
1 x Shockwave
2 x Aether Pillar
3 x Fractal

(Legit )
2 x Amethyst Pillar
4 x Dissipation Shield

(vinvick3714 )
1 x antimatter
3 x Amethyst Pillar
2 x Butterfly Effect

(Essence )
6 x Nova

Discarding

(Guy_Fawkes )
4 x Obsidian Pillar
6 x Devourer
1 x Dusk Mantle
2 x Vampire Stiletto
1 x Liquid Shadow
4 x Dark Pendulum

(9270984 )
2 x Golden Dragon
5 x Holy Light
2 x Obsidian Pillar
4 x Devourer
2 x Dusk Mantle
3 x Dark Pendulum

(plastiqe )
1 x Chaos Seed
6 x Nova
4 x Graboid
1 x Shockwave
1 x Parasite
2 x Vampire Stiletto
2 x Gargoyle
1 x Lightning

(3d House of Beef )
1 x Lycanthrope
6 x Nova
5 x Graboid
1 x Shockwave
1 x Parasite
1 x Vampire Stiletto
1 x Gargoyle
1 x Black Nymph
1 x Lightning

(lokiburn4 )
1 x Deflagration
1 x Rain of Fire
1 x Rage Potion
6 x Phoenix
3 x Fire Pendulum
1 x Devourer
1 x Dusk Mantle
1 x Vampire Stiletto
3 x Dark Pendulum

Penalties
-N/a-

Converting
3 x Emphatic Bond
6 x Adrenaline
3 x Otyugh
CONVERTED INTO
7 x Obsidian Pillar
5 x Dark Pendulum


just for the sake of simplicity I'll sum up here the decks we are going to salvage/discard

DISCARD

CARDS TO DISCARD: 18
Guy_Fawkes VS jmdt 0-2

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5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5up 5up 5ur 5ur 5us 5us 5us 5uu 5uu 606 606 606 606 606
CARDS TO DISCARD: 18
9270984 VS MrBlonde 1-2

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5la 5la 5lc 5lc 5lc 5lc 5lc 5li 5li 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5uo 5up 5up 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606
CARDS TO DISCARD: 18
plastiqe VS catalyzeme  0-2

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4vi 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 590 5on 5uk 5uk 5uk 5un 5uo 5up 5up 5ur 5ur 5ur 5uv 5uv 606 606 606 61q
CARDS TO DISCARD: 18
Lokiburn4 VS artagas 1-2

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5f6 5f8 5fb 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5gi 5gi 5gi 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5uo 5up 5up 5up 5ur 606 606 606 606 606 606
CARDS TO DISCARD: 18
3D House of Beef VS Ryan666 0-2

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4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 590 5on 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5un 5uo 5uo 5up 5ur 5uv 5uv 5v8 606 606 606 61q

SALVAGE

CARDS TO SALVAGE: 6
Kuroaitou  VS Pervepic 2-0

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5la 5lk 5lk 5lk 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5ok 5ok 5ok 5ok 5ok 5on 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 61o 622 622 622 622 7ms 7ms 7oe 7oe 7oe 808
CARDS TO SALVAGE: 6
theonlyrealbeef VS Legit 2-0

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vg 592 592 592 594 595 595 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa
CARDS TO SALVAGE: 6
kobisjeruk VS vinvick3714 2-0

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CARDS TO SALVAGE: 6
Kael Hate VS Essence 2-0

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 55t 593 5c1 5i5 5ie 5if 5ii 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 61q

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I'll just start with some suggestions:

Salvaging

(Pervepic )
4x Fractal
1x Shockwave
1x Air Pillar

(Legit )
3x Dissipation Shield
3x Basilisk Blood/Enchant Artifact (we already have a lot of BB so...)
   
(vinvick3714 )
4x Antimatter
2x Arctic Squid

(Essence )
6x Nova

Discarding

(Guy_Fawkes )
5x Black Dragon
5x Obsidian Pillar
5x Darkness Pendulum
1x Steal
1x Drain Life
1x Devourer

(9270984 )
2x Golden Dragon
5x Holy Light
2x Miracle
2x Black Dragon
2x Devourer
5x Darkness Pendulum

(plastiqe )
6x Nova
4x Graboid
1x Chaos Seed
1x Steal
3x Obsidian Pillar
3x Darkness Pendulum

(3d House of Beef )
1x Lycanthrope
5x Graboid
6x Nova
2x Obsidian Pillar
1x Darkness Pendulum
1x Steal
1x Shockwave
1x Gargoyle

(lokiburn4 )
3x Fire Pendulum
6x Phoenix
1x Rage Potion
1x Rain of Fire
1x Deflagration
2x Steal
2x Devourer
2x Darkness Pendulum

[kobisjeruk]

i agree with your suggestion for the most part but i think it is quite extreme killing 2 rainbow grabs just because of their bad performance this round (do we have enough to rebuild 2 rainbow grabs?)

i'll post my suggestion later today and hopefully we can finalized everything soon before deciding on what to use for this coming duels

[TheCrazyMango]

we cant discard miracles because kael is using them.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

i agree with your suggestion for the most part but i think it is quite extreme killing 2 rainbow grabs just because of their bad performance this round (do we have enough to rebuild 2 rainbow grabs?)

i'll post my suggestion later today and hopefully we can finalized everything soon before deciding on what to use for this coming duels

I believe we had 3 spare graboids, and my suggestion included salvaging 6 novas, still leaving us with 2 rainbow graboids.

[Kuroaitou]

I'll just start with some suggestions:

Salvaging

(Pervepic )
4x Fractal
1x Shockwave
1x Air Pillar

(Legit )
3x Dissipation Shield
3x Basilisk Blood/Enchant Artifact (we already have a lot of BB so...)
   
(vinvick3714 )
4x Antimatter
2x Arctic Squid

(Essence )
6x Nova

Discarding

(Guy_Fawkes )
5x Black Dragon
5x Obsidian Pillar
5x Darkness Pendulum
1x Steal
1x Drain Life
1x Devourer

(9270984 )
2x Golden Dragon
5x Holy Light
2x Miracle
2x Black Dragon
2x Devourer
5x Darkness Pendulum

(plastiqe )
6x Nova
4x Graboid
1x Chaos Seed
1x Steal
3x Obsidian Pillar
3x Darkness Pendulum

(3d House of Beef )
1x Lycanthrope
5x Graboid
6x Nova
2x Obsidian Pillar
1x Darkness Pendulum
1x Steal
1x Shockwave
1x Gargoyle

(lokiburn4 )
3x Fire Pendulum
6x Phoenix
1x Rage Potion
1x Rain of Fire
1x Deflagration
2x Steal
2x Devourer
2x Darkness Pendulum

Just a few suggestions I'd like to change for the list.

-Legit's deck (Salvage)
Grab the EA's. Basilisk's Blood is wonderful, but I don't know useful they'll be in any non-earth/darkness duo, unless you're planning to use it in a rainbow for later. Basilisk's Blood is also not as great from what I can tell, as it hasn't provided enough power against the decks we faced so far...

-vinvick3714's deck (Salvage)
Don't do squids. Grab the Butterfly Effect - if done right, we might be able to set up a Voodoo Doll - Butterfly Effect combo that will make it difficult for opponent's to get rid of the specialized PC option. With a couple of Discords and Lycanthropes, it'd be very hard to counter.


Guy_Fawkes (Discard)
-Seeing that we might be using a few more decks with Obsidian Dragons this round, I'd say that you change the discarding of them from 5 to 4 (or 3), and discard 1 or two more devourers instead. Personal opinion though.

927 (Discard)
-Don't discard the Miracles - Kael needs them. Just get rid of two more pendulums and we'll find some conversion materials instead.

3D (Discard)
-Remove the Black Nymph instead of an extra Graboid. We have 21 Graboids in the vault now, and if you discard 9 from both plastiqe's and 3D's, we'll be left with 11, which means one deck will be slightly short on them. We have 3 black nymphs anyway, and if they're only useful for one or two decks, then having 2 is a slight surplus, no?

Here's to hoping we have kick some ass in Round 4.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I'll just start with some suggestions:

Salvaging

(Pervepic )
4x Fractal
1x Shockwave
1x Air Pillar

(Legit )
3x Dissipation Shield
3x Basilisk Blood/Enchant Artifact (we already have a lot of BB so...)
   
(vinvick3714 )
4x Antimatter
2x Arctic Squid

(Essence )
6x Nova

Discarding

(Guy_Fawkes )
5x Black Dragon
5x Obsidian Pillar
5x Darkness Pendulum
1x Steal
1x Drain Life
1x Devourer

(9270984 )
2x Golden Dragon
5x Holy Light
2x Miracle
2x Black Dragon
2x Devourer
5x Darkness Pendulum

(plastiqe )
6x Nova
4x Graboid
1x Chaos Seed
1x Steal
3x Obsidian Pillar
3x Darkness Pendulum

(3d House of Beef )
1x Lycanthrope
5x Graboid
6x Nova
2x Obsidian Pillar
1x Darkness Pendulum
1x Steal
1x Shockwave
1x Gargoyle

(lokiburn4 )
3x Fire Pendulum
6x Phoenix
1x Rage Potion
1x Rain of Fire
1x Deflagration
2x Steal
2x Devourer
2x Darkness Pendulum

Just a few suggestions I'd like to change for the list.

3D (Discard)
-Remove the Black Nymph instead of an extra Graboid. We have 21 Graboids in the vault now, and if you discard 9 from both plastiqe's and 3D's, we'll be left with 11, which means one deck will be slightly short on them. We have 3 black nymphs anyway, and if they're only useful for one or two decks, then having 2 is a slight surplus, no?

Fail math is fail
21 - 9 = 12 ^_^

[Kael Hate]

November 17, 2010, 08:00:38 AM

Vault begining round 4 assuming conversion, autoloss of cards and resalvaging.
This is to look at our vault is a selective adding process rather than mixing loss and gains.

(Offset can be used as a measure of cards remaining inlcuding salvage, but negs must be taken from salvage)

Vault Decks Offset TOTALS 316 275 41 DARKNESS 154 206 -52 Obsidian Pillar 22 36 -14 Black Dragon 10 18 -8 Devourer 11 16 -5 Parasite 6 6 0 Dusk Mantle 2 6 -4 Steal 10 20 -10 Nightfall 6 3 3 Drain Life 9 13 -4 Minor Vampire 8 0 8 Liquid Shadow 3 4 -1 Gargoyle 14 15 -1 Voodoo Doll 2 2 0 Nightmare 2 0 2 Black Nymph 2 0 2 Dark Pendulum 42 63 -21 Vampire Stiletto 5 4 1 AETHER 39 10 29 Aether Pillar 4 0 4 Lighting 12 6 6 Dimensional Shield 10 0 10 Phase Dragon 4 0 4 Quintessence 4 4 0 Fractal 5 0 5 AIR 10 6 4 Owl's Eye 2 2 0 Shockwave 5 4 1 Wings 3 0 3 DEATH 16 9 7 Bone Pillar 2 0 2 Poison 6 6 0 Bone Wall 4 3 1 Arsenic 4 0 4 LIFE 9 0 9 Empathic Bond 3 0 3 Adrenaline 6 0 6 TIME 8 8 0 Reverse Time 4 4 0 Eternity 2 2 0 Sundial 2 2 0 EARTH 31 14 17 Graboid 9 6 3 Earthquake 12 2 10 Basillisk Blood 10 6 4 ENTROPY 35 15 20 Lycanthrope 11 6 5 Chaos Seed 1 0 1 Nova 6 6 0 Antimatter 6 0 6 Purple Nymph 3 0 3 Discord 8 3 5 LIGHT 4 5 -1 Reflective Shield 2 1 1 Holy Light 0 0 0 Miracle 2 4 -2 Golden Dragon 0 0 0 WATER 4 2 2 Freeze 2 0 2 Purify 2 2 0 GRAVITY 6 0 6 Momentum 3 0 3 Otyugh 3 0 3 FIRE 0 0 0 Phoenix 0 0 0 Rain of Fire 0 0 0 Fire Pendulum 0 0 0 Deflagaration 0 0 0 Rage Potion 0 0 0

CARDS TO SALVAGE: 13
Guy_Fawkes VS jmdt 0-2

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5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5up 5up 5ur 5ur 5us 5us 5us 5uu 5uu 606 606 606 606 606
CARDS TO SALVAGE: 14
9270984 VS MrBlonde 1-2

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5la 5la 5lc 5lc 5lc 5lc 5lc 5li 5li 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5uo 5up 5up 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606
Miracle x2 (for Kaels deck)

CARDS TO SALVAGE: 12
plastiqe VS catalyzeme  0-2

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4vi 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 590 5on 5uk 5uk 5uk 5un 5uo 5up 5up 5ur 5ur 5ur 5uv 5uv 606 606 606 61q
CARDS TO SALVAGE: 12
Lokiburn4 VS artagas 1-2

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5f6 5f8 5fb 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5gi 5gi 5gi 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5uo 5up 5up 5up 5ur 606 606 606 606 606 606
CARDS TO SALVAGE: 12
3D House of Beef VS Ryan666 0-2

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4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 590 5on 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5un 5uo 5uo 5up 5ur 5uv 5uv 5v8 606 606 606 61q
CARDS TO SALVAGE: 6
Kuroaitou  VS Pervepic 2-0

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5la 5lk 5lk 5lk 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5ok 5ok 5ok 5ok 5ok 5on 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 61o 622 622 622 622 7ms 7ms 7oe 7oe 7oe 808
CARDS TO SALVAGE: 6
theonlyrealbeef VS Legit 2-0

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vg 4vg 4vg 4vg 592 592 592 594 595 595 595 595 595 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa 5aa
CARDS TO SALVAGE: 6
kobisjeruk VS vinvick3714 2-0

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vo 4vo 5i9 5i9 5i9 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ib 5ig 5ig 5ig 5ig 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm 5jm
CARDS TO SALVAGE: 6
Kael Hate VS Essence 2-0

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Round 4 - Decks

1. Kael Hate

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2. kobisjeruk

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3. 9270984

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5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5uo 5uo 5up 5up 5up 5uq 5uq 5us 5us
4. Theonlyrealbeef

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52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52r 52r 52r 5un 5un 5un 5un 5un 5un 5up 5up 5v0 5v0 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606
5. plastiqe

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5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5uo 5up 5up 5ur 606 606 606 606 606 606 61q 61q 61q 61q 61q 621 621 621 621
6. Guy_Fawkes

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 590 5ia 5ia 5uk 5uk 5uk 5up 5up 5ur 5uu 5uv 5uv 5uv 5uv 5uv 606 606 606 606 61q
7. Kuroaitou

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5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ro 5ro 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5uv 5uv 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 7ta 7tf 7tf
8. Lokiburn4

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593 593 595 595 595 595 595 595 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uo 5ur 5us 5us 5us 5us 5uv 5uv 5uv 5uv 5uv 5uv
9. 3D House of Beef

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[kobisjeruk]

extreme table manipulation you got going there Kael
one thing i dont understand, whats the meaning of cards to salvage from the losing decks?

e.g. CARDS TO SALVAGE: 13

[Kael Hate]

extreme table manipulation you got going there Kael
one thing i dont understand, whats the meaning of cards to salvage from the losing decks?

e.g. CARDS TO SALVAGE: 13

Instead of recovering all the cards from the decks we lost with and then choosing to discard, I inverted the values, discarding all the cards from the losing deck and choosing the offset to salvage. IE discarding 18 cards from a 31 card deck is the same as discarding the whole deck and salvaging 13 cards.

[kobisjeruk]

i get it now
makes it easier to see what cards we should keep and what to discard based on our decks i guess
thats the thing about discard# <30, it is much easier if we just had to discard the whole deck (30 cards)
only 1 more round of this

[3D House of Beef]

Nice work Kael.