Round 2 - Strategy

[TheonlyrealBeef]

We did great last round, a lot of useful cards like nymphs, nightmare and earthquakes have not been revealed to our opponents, and with such a small vault they won't expect it either.

This round we have the following duels:

Wizardcat (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13056.0.html)
Theonlyrealbeef

kevkev60614
kobisjeruk

plastiqe
majofa

Jumbalumba
Lokiburn4

Guy_Fawkes
Belthazar666

Kuroaitou
Istari.

9270984
Wizelsnarf

3D House of Beef
Klaymore

Kael Hate
RavingRabbid

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[kobisjeruk]

concerning  vs 
i doubt they will be using fire stall against us
i bet we will be the first to face m.phoenix+fractal, the deadliest combo Gen. fire has in his disposal
though i might be wrong...

quanta denial is my first choice
it deals with their previous deck AND both fire stall or m.phoenix+fractal
do note kevkev has 2 mark of fire in his deck (fractal needs mark of aether to work best, they could switch to aether pendulum and retain mark of fire but i doubt it will be better)

plastiqe, i'll be needing your help to test my deck against kevkevs since you're the only one i knew who has 2+ mark of fire


i'm not even gonna talk about the event card
my personal opinion is that it is the stupidest idea ever conceived and should never gone past the 'idea' stage

[TheCrazyMango]

we probably will get killed this round by holy FLASHES because of the event card. this round will suck.
i want to run this deck

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[guy_fawkes]

i hope that this light event car bu****it won't make it trough...

[kobisjeruk]

  vs
their best bet would be poison rush because honestly i cant see them trying to :-
a) stall+bolt...with fear of facing fractal+devourer
b) control...when we already showed them 4 decks with protected creatures (both dragons and rainbow grabs)

they might go  / with phoenix (GRR!) and steam engine

one thing i am quite certain, they wont be going rainbow so  / OR  / should do the trick or just have Kael use the same deck as before

[TheCrazyMango]

now that the event card is gone it will be easier this round

[plastiqe]

Interesting that Fire didn't use a single Lava Golem in R1 and only had one deck with Immolations.. but they did use maximum Fire Bolts.  If we were to fight the same deck they used against us in R1 our best counter would be Entropy/Darkness.. so if I was Fire I think they'd be prepared to deal with Antimatters this time.  kevkev is for sure one of the toughest masters to face so we'll have our work cut out for us.  Along with the vaults I think it's helpful if we keep track of all the decks that have been used by each element.  I'll get started on that...... tomorrow.  I've got an early floor hockey game but after 2:30ish I'll be around the rest of the afternoon for testing if anyone is up for it.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Allright, I'm testing some decks to use against light, so far this deck:

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Another option would be to use a Graboid Rainbow like this one:

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[kobisjeruk]

9# and i tested some deck vs / (the one used last round)
rainbow grabs got the best chance (because it is useful no matter what deck they're packing) but / with lycans, AM and LS might work too
LS is the best answer to phoenix we've got...thats all

[TheonlyrealBeef]

9# and i tested some deck vs / (the one used last round)
rainbow grabs got the best chance (because it is useful no matter what deck they're packing) but / with lycans, AM and LS might work too
LS is the best answer to phoenix we've got...thats all

I think we'd better save specific Phoenix counters for , too risky to build a counter just for that specific deck. Since they already used it last time it's unlikely (though certainly not impossible) they'd use it again.

[lokiburn4]

So I'm doing gravity. Pretty much I'm expecting discord/hole but there's a chance of oty blitz (with holy light) or even GG's poison armagio deck which looks pretty wicked. I'll bet on the first, and while I was considering the earthquake devourer deck, I think it would be generally too slow against discord/blackhole and damage reliant on easily HL zapped dark creatures. Entropy is an option, but what I would feel best about is a modified version of the graboid rainbow Kobi used in round 1, with extra cc subbed in for the shields. If there are more important decks that we would like salvage than gravity, and we cannot afford the resources for me to use this deck, I am open to that logic. If anyone has time to do some testing I'd like to actually try a couple options.

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[kobisjeruk]

i think we should save the rainbow grabs for some harder fights ( vs  ,  vs  ,  vs  )
like i said in the other thread, they already know we have 2 rainbow grabs so they know bh+discord wont be as effective against us (plus steal is a much more crippling counter to discord than any other PCs, backfire will be destructive to their own deck)
i think you should go with quanta denial, particularly  / 

but if you do go with rainbow grabs, replace 1 pendulum for 1 pillar, drain life needs tons of darkness and you need to generate a lot, pendulum will slow it down considerably
and replace shockwave with another lightning (elite oty magnet) or reverse time (salvaged!) to negate any gravity pull action (armagio or on your own critters)