Deckbuilding

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Discarding:
Event Card:1 AM, 1 Purple Nymph, 2 Graboids, 2 Earthquakes, 2 Arsenic, 2 Owl's Eyes, 1 Light Pillar, 2 Solar Shield, 3 Discord, 4 Sundials.
TheonlyrealBeef: everything.
Onizuka: everything but 1 Vampire Stiletto, 1 Gargoyle, 2 Steal, 1 Dusk Mantle
Jaymanfu: everything but 1 Vampire Stiletto, 1 Steal, 2 Gargoyle, 1 Black Dragon
Mithcairion: everything but 3 Gargoyle, 1 Vampire Stiletto, 1 Dusk Mantle
mrpaper: everything but 2 Steal, 4 Black Dragon

Salvage:
Wizardcat: 6 Nova
Malignant: 6 Phoenix
suxerz: 6 Lightning

Conversion:
6 Nova, 6 Phoenix, 6 Lightning, 1 Freeze => 19 Obsidian Pillars

Gargs/Dragons/Steals/Stilts might need fine tuning according to decks used.

Decks:
Gen. TheonlyrealBeef vs vinvick3714

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4st 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 622 622 622 622 622 7t8 7tb 7tf 7tf 7tf 7tf 8pu

Lt. Wizardcat vs deuce22

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5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uq 5uq 5ut 5ut 5ut 5ut 5ut 5ut 5v2 5v2 5v2 5v2 606 606 606 606 606 606 7t4 7t8 7tb 8pn

suxerz vs Lt. wavedash

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5ul 5ul 5ul 5ul 5up 5up 5ur 5uu 5uu 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 8pu

Mithcairion vs Gen. Napalm Grenade

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55q 55q 55t 55t 562 562 562 562 562 562 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5uo 5ur 5uu 5uu 5v0 5v0 5v0 5v0 5v0 5v0 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 8pl

mrpaper vs 10 men

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5li 5li 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5lm 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uo 5uo 5ur 5ur 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us 5us 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 8pq

Onizuka vs SteppingStone81

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 590 590 590 590 590 590 5ia 5ia 5on 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uo 5up 5up 5ur 5uu 5uu 5uv 5uv 5uv 5uv 5uv 606 606 606 606 61q 8pm

[suxerz]

All decks are legal so far vs the discard/salvage/conversion proposed with 1 minor correction - the 20 cards discard should not include 1 Freeze there.

No comments about the decks yet.

[Onizuka]

I still dub TorB's deck Fractoyle.

Or Fractoylet

[mrpaper]

I did some testing with Rev and sux and my deck doesnt goes to well against entropy played this way, so I have tweaked it a little bit... removing 2 miracles (I won't get enough quanta for more then 1 anyway, mayyyyybe 2), by then I will have 1hk him.  I also remove the reflective shield, the chances that he plays  a reflective shield himself are really slim and 3 removing the ls... By the time they get effective, I am defently dead, so it's better for me to have tons of quanta if discord is here, and let me play a sanct as soon as possible... here is how it looks and by the way, it went pretty well against mono entropy and grabs decks.

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.  So I'd like this deck please... the ls can now be used in some other decks, we we're thinking of voodoleration

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Done. Voodolleration got -1 Nymph, -1 Obsidian Pillar, +2 LS. Also allows us not to convert pends to pillars. Nymph is probably too fragile anyway.

[suxerz]

Done. Voodolleration got -1 Nymph, -1 Obsidian Pillar, +2 LS. Also allows us not to convert pends to pillars. Nymph is probably too fragile anyway.

Hmm... somehow this makes me feel nervous and my paranoia over these tiny things doesn't help either. Torb, are you saying that before the deck change, you thought we used all of our pillars? If yes, either I messed up something in the spreadsheet or you calculated wrong.

Before deck change

In previous round, we have 31 pillars and 106 pends in our vault.
We're discarding all our pillars (20) and pends (29) from previous round's decks.
Which then leave us with 11 pillars and 77 pends
After converting 30 cards including 1 pend, we're at 31 pillars and 76 pends.
Before deck change, we use 30 pillars and 54 pends, which leave us with 1 pillar (31-20+20-30=1) after decks built.

After deck change

In previous round, we have 31 pillars and 106 pends in our vault.
We're discarding all our pillars (20) and pends (29) from previous round's decks.
Which then leave us with 11 pillars and 77 pends
After converting 19 cards, we're at 30 pillars and 77 pends.
In current decks, we use 29 pillars and 54 pends, which also leave us with 1 pillar (31-20+19-29=1) after decks built.

I thought the reason to convert the 1 pend to pillar earlier was simply because to cover up the losses from discarding.
Appreciate if someone else could check this as well, so I won't go crazy checking our stuff for the zillionth time! >.<

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I modded my deck as well while going over them (-1 pillar, +1 mark, copy pasted it from trainer where I tested which doesn't have mark cards ), so now we'll have enough Pillars for sure. And I don't know, I somehow thought we didn't have enough pillars previously and needed to convert a pendulum. Don't remember when/how.

[suxerz]

Phew... Okay then. So, are we still converting 19 cards to 19 pillars? Since now we have 2 unused pillars left.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Phew... Okay then. So, are we still converting 19 cards to 19 pillars? Since now we have 2 unused pillars left.

Doesn't hurt having spare Pillars

[suxerz]

Phew... Okay then. So, are we still converting 19 cards to 19 pillars? Since now we have 2 unused pillars left.

Doesn't hurt having spare Pillars

Yep, just want to make sure.

Ran some tests using the life counter. Result is promising. Details in "hiden" spoilers

vs life/death + poison & scorpion

by suxerz

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52g 52g 52g 52l 52l 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52o 52q 52q 542 542 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c8 5c9 5c9 5de 5de 5de 8pn

(AI use above deck)
(our deck) 17 - 3 (above deck) - Lost by casual bad draw; mostly because couldn't find LS in time. AI playing shield is kinda stupid coz I can steal it and block the scorpions. I think priority stealing is the skull shield and keep LS for the dragons.

(AI use our deck)
(our deck) 13 - 7 (above deck) - AI's stupidity is obvious when it PU'd my mito scorpion. Even with the flaw, few dragons are more than enough to overcome the heals.

vs life/entropy duo + discord & AM

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vm 4vm 4vm 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 5bt 5bt 5bt 5c7 5c7 5c8 5c8 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 8pj

A lil' bit tricky coz early discord could hurt and adren elf or scorpion is pretty scary. So far, I stick with stealing pends (best timed when my pend is on aether) and PU any adren creatures. Adren scorpion can be PU'd early but adren elf should be done a bit later so that I can mutate them if hit by AM. LS is mostly for CC. Didn't keep stats this time.. too tired...

vs life/aether duo + frogtal

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5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c0 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 61o 61o 61o 61o 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 622 622 622 622 622 7ae 7ae 7ae 8pu

(AI use above deck)
(our deck) 18 - 2 (above deck). Pretty easy. Lost due to bad draw and lucky draw from AI which cause early fractal and too early dim shield from my side. Usually, I found that I need to start dim shield chain when I'm at 20 cards left - which is not that bad I think. Steals are for dim shield only and LS is hardly being used.

(AI use our deck)
(our deck) 0 - 5 (above deck). AI is really stupid... >_> Playing the dim shield too early and didn't keep steals for dim shield. I didn't bother to test further coz it seems pointless.
vs life/fire duo

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5bt 5bt 5bt 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c4 5c4 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f7 7ak 7dn 7dn 8po

(AI use above deck)
(our deck) 5 - 1 (above deck). Pretty easy too. Spamming twin dragons is much faster than accumulating fire quanta from pends. I usually spam PU as soon as possible but try to keep 1 dragon in hand

(AI use our deck)
(our deck) 5 - 0 (above deck). AI being bolder and using dimshield is somewhat the key for the wins. Maybe I should do that too >.<

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Let me know if I'm doing something wrong here. Will continue later.

[suxerz]

Taking account the salvage/discard/convert (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26170.msg355698#msg355698) and minus all the cards for the updated decks (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26324.msg358251#msg358251), these are the cards that left in our vault:

	Lighting	1
	Obsidian Pillar	2
	Steal	1
	Dark Pendulum	24
	Black Nymph	2
	Darkness Mark	1
	Lycanthrope	6
	Reflective Shield	1
	Miracle	2

Oh. btw I think it's better that wizcat play his match before anyone else especially Torb and mrpaper. Not much effect but it may help a bit.. I think.. 

[mrpaper]

Not that I mind waiting, but why would it help having me  or torb waiting? Wiz deck shall become obvious as soon as life mark is there since adren is the only life card we played in 6 rounds.  And then, why me and torb? cause we both can win while ppl have a good idea of our decks since we play last? That apply to all of us! 8)