Deckbuilding

[Onizuka]

I like Torb's salvage idea.

Clear cut, and nets us a plus. Not much we could salvage from some decks, so what we have can do.

Mith posted something about just going with one quanta source, so that could take up 5/6 of the discards for his deck.

Discarding Light Pillars and Pends while converting Solar Shields? Would net us more Dark pends, but wouldn't want to recklessly destroy the deck.

Converting solar shields? I thought he meant just going strictly with dark pends for quanta.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I like Torb's salvage idea.

Clear cut, and nets us a plus. Not much we could salvage from some decks, so what we have can do.

Mith posted something about just going with one quanta source, so that could take up 5/6 of the discards for his deck.

Discarding Light Pillars and Pends while converting Solar Shields? Would net us more Dark pends, but wouldn't want to recklessly destroy the deck.

Converting solar shields? I thought he meant just going strictly with dark pends for quanta.

I don't know, Mith might want to clear this up himself ^_^
After all, Solar Shields is basically just a source of quanta.

[Onizuka]

Yeah, but it was just that case. If there had been EQ, it would have been good.

Stick with your suggestion.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Round 2, decks ideas will soon follow:

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Haven't seen pc from them yet, and only very little cc. Vampirism is useless against Dimensional Shields, while they're slowly dying

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4st 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5up 5up 5uv 5uv 5v2 5v2 5v8 606 606 606 606 7ta 7ta 7tb 7td 7td 7to 8pt

A lot of their decks revolve around abilities (Owl's Eye, Firefly Queen), Black Nymph > abilities.

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 593 593 593 593 5rk 5rk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5uu 5uv 61q 61q 8pm

Might need fine tuning for this specific matchup.

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Cloaks counter a lot of CC (popular among Aether it seems), while Adrenaline counters Bone Wall. Devtal will murder this deck - big time - though.

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5l8 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5lf 5ll 5ll 5ll 5ll 5mq 5mq 5ur 5ur 5ur 5ur 5v1 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 7n2 7n2 7n2 8pq

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55q 55q 55t 55t 562 562 562 562 562 562 5uu 5uu 5v0 5v0 5v0 5v0 5v0 5v0 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 8pl

Voodoo Dolls > Sanctuary and Holy Light

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5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5ru 5up 5up 5v1 5v1 5v1 5v1 5v1 5ur 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 606 8ps

They hated RT last time, this time, we'll add steals just in case :p

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I would love to get strategic feedback on why certain decks are wrong and others are better, currently it's mostly based on my gut again.

[Jaymanfu]

I do like having RT's vs  the only thing I see if they come with discord/black hole I'll get rocked X: more play testing to come!

[Mithcairion]

Nice table, my suggested salvage/discard/conversion (can be changed depending on decks we intend to build, but discard is low enough to not really be bothered by it):

Theonlyrealbeef: +6 Poison
Wizardcat: -6 Dark Pendulum
Mithcairion: -6 Dark Pendulum
Onizuka: +6 Horned Frog
suxerz: +5 Nova +1 Lightning
Jaymanfu: +3 Arsenic +3 Poison
Malignant: +6 Sanctuary
mrpaper: -5 Nova -1 Lightning

Conversion: -6 Horned Frog, -6 Sanctuary, -9 Poison, + 21 Dark Pendulum

Netto: +9 Darkness Pendulum (of which all 9 have already been sacrificed for upgrades), +3 Arsenic (2 Arsenics per Lockbow allow for more consistent damage, and we could potentially build two lockbows).

I might be dissappointed by the outcome, but I'm certainly not dissappointed in any of you. Great work so far, I hope the new information on opponents' vaults can bring more victory in future rounds. War is really starting now, and losses will be serious.

Be sure to tell me if you'd like to see certain details change

2 Arsenics per lockbow actually makes the deck less effective, as the true power of it is denying your opponent creatures while you destroy his quanta.  If anything, 2 Lightnings per lockbow would actually be more effective than 2 Arsenics, as the Shockwave could be replaced with a Lightning.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Alrighty, modified with that one extra Lightning we can get :p

Theonlyrealbeef: +6 Poison
Wizardcat: -6 Dark Pendulum
Mithcairion: -6 Dark Pendulum
Onizuka: +6 Horned Frog
suxerz: +5 Nova +1 Lightning
Jaymanfu: +3 Arsenic +3 Poison
Malignant: +6 Sanctuary
mrpaper: -5 Nova -1 Arsenic

Conversion: -6 Horned Frog, -6 Sanctuary, -9 Poison, + 21 Dark Pendulum

Netto: +9 Darkness Pendulum (of which all 9 have already been sacrificed for upgrades), +2 Arsenic  +1 Lightning.

[suxerz]

  - I believe we should have some pillars there replacing some of the pends. If water decided to use water stall with sanctuary, the pillars might be the critical source of .

Since we don't have any pillar left (actually, we're short of 1 pillar), it might be better to convert the 21 cards to more pillars than pends.



edit: more thoughts..

- The deck works quite well vs various deck including mono with an exception of discord/BH. However, the problem that I sometime had is getting out enough damage after successfully lock the opponent. And while waiting for the more damage, a single creature/discord slowly lower my health. I can recover if I have LS in hand. So, replacing 1 dragon with gargoyle seems be helping me in these cases.

[Mithcairion]

This is a deck that I have begun testing vs. Water and it has shown it can not only beat both their stall and their poison rush, but dominate both. 

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Obviously, we're running into a problem of not having enough dragons to fuel all of our decks, but I did want to at least throw this out there as viable.  I haven't tried this vs. their Waterbow, but my first thought is that it should hold it's own, with Steals for their Tridents and LS to recover HP from them or lobo annoying creatures.

As always, I welcome people's thoughts and comments.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

- I believe we should have some pillars there replacing some of the pends. If water decided to use water stall with sanctuary, the pillars might be the critical source of .

Since we don't have any pillar left (actually, we're short of 1 pillar), it might be better to convert the 21 cards to more pillars than pends.



edit: more thoughts..

- The deck works quite well vs various deck including mono with an exception of discord/BH. However, the problem that I sometime had is getting out enough damage after successfully lock the opponent. And while waiting for the more damage, a single creature/discord slowly lower my health. I can recover if I have LS in hand. So, replacing 1 dragon with gargoyle seems be helping me in these cases.

If we get countered, we get countered. Do Pillars really make the win percentage against the sanctuary stall over 50%? If not, I don't know if it's worth the risk of getting Earthquake later. Did you test to see how 5 Pillars 6 Pends work in that deck?

-1 Black Dragon +1 Gargoyle shouldn't be a problem for that deck, we currently have enough Gargoyles spare (I think). But doesn't that only decrease damage? (unless of course, you don't get enough and are just stuck with a Dragon in your hand for a lot of turns)

This is a deck that I have begun testing vs. Water and it has shown it can not only beat both their stall and their poison rush, but dominate both. 

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Obviously, we're running into a problem of not having enough dragons to fuel all of our decks, but I did want to at least throw this out there as viable.  I haven't tried this vs. their Waterbow, but my first thought is that it should hold it's own, with Steals for their Tridents and LS to recover HP from them or lobo annoying creatures.

As always, I welcome people's thoughts and comments.

I don't see how that deck could work, it seems to severly lack quanta
Maybe 6 Pillars 7 Pends?

Looks like we should then convert the stuff not to 21 Dark Pendulums, but 12 Obsidian Pillars and 9 Dark Pendulums.

[suxerz]

Since it looks like we have our decks finalized, allow me to give a summary.  8)
Let me know if you see something wrong.

This is what we're going to

discard, salvage and convert:

DISCARD SALVAGE 12   Dark Pendulum 5   Nova 1   Arsenic 9   Poison    6   Horned Frog    6   Sanctuary    5   Nova    3   Arsenic    1   Lighting

CONVERT TO 9   Poison 6   Horned Frog 6   Sanctuary 12   Obsidian Pillar 9   Dark Pendulum

Minus all the cards for the decks, we have these cards left in our vault (in case any deck changes need to be made):

Dark Pendulum	91	Quintessence	3
Devourer	12	Nightfall	2
Dusk Mantle	9	Arsenic	2
Gargoyle	8	Shockwave	2
Steal	7	Purple Nymph	2
Nova	6	Solar Shield	2
Earthquake	6	Time Pendulum	2
Sanctuary	6	Purify	2
Drain Life	6	Reverse Time	1
Graboid	6	Dimensional Shield	1
Lycanthrope	6	Ghost of the Past	1
Antimatter	6	Flying Weapon	1
Obsidian Pillar	5	Lighting	1
Fractal	5	Light Pendulum	1
Owl's Eye	5	Darkness Mark	1
Minor Vampire	4	Light Pillar	1
Vampire Stiletto	4	Reflective Shield	1
Wings	4	Time Factory	1
Discord	4	Freeze	1
Miracle	4

This is how our vault should be once updated:
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[suxerz]

Round 3

Same as last round, we are finished this round with 5-3. Congratz to everyone! So, here are the possible salvage and discard.