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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg114880#msg114880
« Reply #84 on: July 15, 2010, 05:45:52 am »
Yeah, it's easy to toss numbers around.  Drawing 4x BB, 1x Voodoo Doll, and 1x Cremation before I kill your ass is much, much harder.
To be fair, pillarless golems is much more consistent than it looks on paper, so this combo deck would be really hard to beat, because it is impossible to counter (everything is instant speed) and I would bet that it would be relatively consistent.

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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg114889#msg114889
« Reply #85 on: July 15, 2010, 06:09:29 am »
I'm afraid that would make this card overpowered. I mean, freezing weapons.

However, adrenaline on my weapon will be nice ;) esspecially when talking morning glory, or vampire stiletto/dagger.
If you use adrenaline on this, you're opponent's weapon will get adrenaline.

So it balances itself.
Yes, but being able to freeze or delete your opponents weapon is what I was aiming at, because after a week or 2 only new players will adrenaline their voodoo dolls. But everyone will use freeze. (I you can't explode a morning star/glory, then freeze it.), Nice new anti-divine glory deck.
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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg114976#msg114976
« Reply #86 on: July 15, 2010, 11:39:35 am »
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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg114985#msg114985
« Reply #87 on: July 15, 2010, 11:58:59 am »
I'm quite certain Cremating and/or Congeal/Shockwave won't kill the opponent.  The card explicitly states damage, whereas neither Cremation nor Congeal/Shockwave actually state that they do damage.

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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg115026#msg115026
« Reply #88 on: July 15, 2010, 02:00:35 pm »
this is probably an unlikely situation...but...say you bless your voodoo doll and your opponent has a fire shield out...does damage from fire shield also hit your opponent?

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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg115038#msg115038
« Reply #89 on: July 15, 2010, 02:39:07 pm »
this is probably an unlikely situation...but...say you bless your voodoo doll and your opponent has a fire shield out...does damage from fire shield also hit your opponent?
Yes, of course. "1 damage is dealt to any attacking creature" leaves very little room for interpretation.

Here's a good way to determine what is damage and what is not:

There is a number involved -> it's damage!
There isn't a number involved -> it's not damage!

Cards that use words like "sacrifice" and "instantly kill" instead of numbers, are not doing damage.

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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg115053#msg115053
« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2010, 03:04:40 pm »
There is a number involved -> it's damage!
There isn't a number involved -> it's not damage!

so if i posioned the dool for 1 with a plague would the opponent be posioned to?

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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg115061#msg115061
« Reply #91 on: July 15, 2010, 03:28:18 pm »
There is a number involved -> it's damage!
There isn't a number involved -> it's not damage!

so if i posioned the dool for 1 with a plague would the opponent be posioned to?
I dont think the opponent would get a poison counter, they would just take 1 damage a turn until the doll dies.

I like this card. I may have finally found a use for my  :air nymph and upgraded fractals. Once its out in trainer I want to try to make a rainbow with it. (edit: although after reading a few more pages there are obviously better combos out there)

Is voodoo passive or can it be lobo'd off?

Also, does anyone know what the upgraded version of this would be like? more health or less cost or what?

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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg115101#msg115101
« Reply #92 on: July 15, 2010, 04:34:10 pm »
this is probably an unlikely situation...but...say you bless your voodoo doll and your opponent has a fire shield out...does damage from fire shield also hit your opponent?
Yes, of course. "1 damage is dealt to any attacking creature" leaves very little room for interpretation.

Here's a good way to determine what is damage and what is not:

There is a number involved -> it's damage!
There isn't a number involved -> it's not damage!

Cards that use words like "sacrifice" and "instantly kill" instead of numbers, are not doing damage.
Zanz said in chat that sacrifice and instantly kill and such would do the damage immediately. Otherwise the card would be very underpowered.

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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg115131#msg115131
« Reply #93 on: July 15, 2010, 05:33:22 pm »
But it would do only the health# of damage?

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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg115219#msg115219
« Reply #94 on: July 15, 2010, 07:44:52 pm »
this is probably an unlikely situation...but...say you bless your voodoo doll and your opponent has a fire shield out...does damage from fire shield also hit your opponent?
Yes, of course. "1 damage is dealt to any attacking creature" leaves very little room for interpretation.

Here's a good way to determine what is damage and what is not:

There is a number involved -> it's damage!
There isn't a number involved -> it's not damage!

Cards that use words like "sacrifice" and "instantly kill" instead of numbers, are not doing damage.
Zanz said in chat that sacrifice and instantly kill and such would do the damage immediately. Otherwise the card would be very underpowered.
xD The second time SG has screwed up in this thread...

But more on the topic of the card:

I love it.

It looks very powerful if what Puppy said about insta-kills is true, and it might be enough to warrant a small decrease in hp.

I think I would very much enjoy playing the card with Gravity Pull and Basilisk's Blood though.
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Re: Voodoo Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=9640.msg115372#msg115372
« Reply #95 on: July 15, 2010, 09:16:24 pm »
Yeah, it's easy to toss numbers around.  Drawing 4x BB, 1x Voodoo Doll, and 1x Cremation before I kill your ass is much, much harder.
To be fair, pillarless golems is much more consistent than it looks on paper, so this combo deck would be really hard to beat, because it is impossible to counter (everything is instant speed) and I would bet that it would be relatively consistent.
Pillarless golems doesn't rely on drawing 4 of a single card before it can get near-lethal damage built up.  A single unattended golem will kill you in 8 turns assuming no other damage hits the table.  That's 15 cards drawn; you have to get pretty lucky to get four of six copies of a card drawn in half your deck.   If a second Golem or any other damage source comes down, your chances get significantly smaller.
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