Voodoo Doll | Voodoo Doll

[BluePriest]

I have never heard of someone saying a 6+ card, and 5 element combo is OP.

1) Voodoo doll
2)BB (at least 1, preferably 2)
3)GP
4)SN
5)TU
6)Another TU
7)Another TU


If you dont have a deck built around it you wont do it, and knowing this combo is coming means its easy to counter. Who cares if the card doesnt outright say it, the card also doesnt say that freezing/BB'ing it will freeze the weapon, or that poisoning it will poison you.

[QuantumT]

I think it could do with a bit of a clarification though. It's not that the combo is OP, it's that it really isn't clear that it works that way.

[BluePriest]

*Looks at Adrenaline and Anti-Matter* Yep, Every other card in the game tells exactly what it will do.

[QuantumT]

Antimatter does exactly what the card says it does.

Adrenaline does what the card says it does, it just leaves off the full details.

Voodoo doll functions in a way that is distinctly different than it's card text

Voodoo: If this creature survives an attack, damage and status is inflicted to your opponent as well.

When it's being TUed, what attack is it surviving exactly?

[BluePriest]

When A creature is TU'd everything is copied. The Max health and the damage. The voodoo doll copies the damage of the original doll, and so that damage is done to you.

Adrenaline doesnt say it all. Like creatures effects only going every other turn.

Antimatter bypasses shields. Theres a whole argument to it, however, Im just playing devils advocate for this one.

[Uppercut]

TU isn't an attack, it has no negative effect on the Doll. The copy of the Doll also had nothing done to it. Thats why its different.

I already said it but it I'll repeat it to hopefully drive the point home. Voodoo Doll needs reworded.

[Sir Rebrl]

The idea behind Voodoo Doll is a voodoo doll, right? Makes sense. Assuming real voodoo dolls work, what happened when a pre-damaged doll is made? Nothing. Any damage to the doll that's pre-existing does not suddenly transfer to the target.

With a little thought, the card itself implies that Twin Universing it will not cause sudden damage. In fact, as QuantumT pointed out, the wording makes it clear it shouldn't. It's not surviving an attack when it appears by Twin Universe.

It should either be reworded or fixed so it doesn't do that. Not because it's OP but because not everyone comes here and finds out about it and when it pops up out of nowhere the first thing a lot of people will say is "WTF?!" Detracts from the game.

[BluePriest]

Perhaps I should point something out. Just because someone doesnt agree that  certain way is how something happens, that doesnt mean that it isnt what happened. Try figuring out what that is suppose to mean lol.

People are getting caught up on the attack thing, and ignoring the second part of the statement.



If it survives, damage and status are inflicted on the opponent. When Voodoo doll is TU'd the new one is obviously alive, so its damage is inflicted. In fact, IF ANYTHING, according to the wording, if you freeze my voodoo doll, and THEN place a  weapon, if I TU my doll, your weapon should get frozen.

[EvaRia]

It says on the card that damage is inflicted. Damage is calculated through Full HP - Current HP.

TU copies both full and current HP. So while not technically damaging the doll, the game registers it as doing damage to the new doll.

[Sir Rebrl]

If it "survives an attack". Not "if it's alive."

[Uppercut]

But the new doll doesn't ever take damage, its just damaged when it comes into play so it still doesn't really make sense.

[BluePriest]

If it "survives an attack". Not "if it's alive."

And this registers as how an attack is considered. Antimattered creatures are "attacking" the opponent even though they are healing with their attack. TU attacks the doll, its just not a positive or negative attack. Just neutral. its all a matter of perspective. You cant say my perspective is Right, just like I cant say yours is wrong, Im just trying to see it from a perspective that makes sense.

But the new doll doesn't ever take damage, its just damaged when it comes into play so it still doesn't really make sense.

As i stated before, the cards damage is inflicted, it doesnt say the damage inflicted this turn. The damage it has after this neutral attack of being TU'd is the Full-Current.  Before now, that specific doll hasnt done any damage, and its damage has to go somewhere.