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60 cards darkness deck unupgraded 2 rares https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33370.msg420905#msg420905
« on: November 05, 2011, 02:23:15 pm »
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I know its heavy but it works great against arena.Any sugestions?Mark: :darkness.

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Re: 60 cards darkness deck unupgraded 2 rares https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33370.msg420924#msg420924
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2011, 03:00:47 pm »
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Re: 60 cards darkness deck unupgraded 2 rares https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33370.msg420927#msg420927
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2011, 03:10:11 pm »
These are FAT decks.
This reduces the probabilty of drawing the cards you need.

You deck doesn't have much quanta.
This reduces the amount of cards that you will be able to play.
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I suggest having a look at some of the other mono-darkness decks in this section. Many of them are more balanced.

Hope this helped :P

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Re: 60 cards darkness deck unupgraded 2 rares https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33370.msg420952#msg420952
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 03:54:29 pm »
This deck looks like you wanted to put in 6 of each but then found out it was way to much  :P
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Re: 60 cards darkness deck unupgraded 2 rares https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33370.msg420956#msg420956
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 04:01:49 pm »
To many cards, not enough pillars, in short, cut it down.
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Re: 60 cards darkness deck unupgraded 2 rares https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33370.msg420957#msg420957
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2011, 04:02:26 pm »
I...like the first deck as is :P
(with pillar/pend split, ofc)

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Re: 60 cards darkness deck unupgraded 2 rares https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33370.msg421497#msg421497
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2011, 04:26:13 pm »
These are FAT decks.
This reduces the probabilty of drawing the cards you need.

You deck doesn't have much quanta.
This reduces the amount of cards that you will be able to play.
http://elements.alanbeam.net/qi.php?deckCode=5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5uk+5ul+5ul+5ul+5ul+5ul+5ul+5um+5um+5um+5um+5um+5um+5uo+5uo+5up+5up+5up+5up+5up+5up+5uq+5uq+5ur+5ur+5us+5us+5us+5us+5ut+5ut+5ut+5ut+5ut+5ut+5uu+5uu+5uu+5uu+5v1+5v1+5v1+5v2+5v2+5v2+5v2+8pt
I suggest having a look at some of the other mono-darkness decks in this section. Many of them are more balanced.

Hope this helped :P
better so?
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Feel free to upgrade the other nightfall too,I dont have money.

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Re: 60 cards darkness deck unupgraded 2 rares https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33370.msg421535#msg421535
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2011, 05:32:32 pm »
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Feel free to upgrade the other nightfall too,I dont have money.
You have 6 steals. You will not need that many: 2/3 should suffice.

Try to get out of the six card mind-set. You are allowed to use just 2 or 3 of a card.

Because 30 card decks are almost always the best:

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Something like this would be best because:

  • It has draw consistancy
  • It has well balanced quanta
  • It is more adaptable (mainly because it's mono-darkenss)
  • It has a pillar/pend split for earth-quakes



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Re: 60 cards darkness deck unupgraded 2 rares https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33370.msg421538#msg421538
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2011, 05:40:14 pm »
He already haves a nightfall upgraded, I suggest swapping one of those.
Gargoyles>dragons in my opinion, much faster damage.
Also no drain life?
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Re: 60 cards darkness deck unupgraded 2 rares https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33370.msg421542#msg421542
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2011, 05:47:48 pm »
He already haves a nightfall upgraded, I suggest swapping one of those.
Oh yeah... Do that.

Gargoyles>dragons in my opinion, much faster damage.
Also no drain life?
Plus you get more quanta to use for drain-lifes.

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Re: 60 cards darkness deck unupgraded 2 rares https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33370.msg452060#msg452060
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 10:44:32 pm »
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The first thing I noticed about your deck is that it is 60 cards. Very few decks are that big, and virtually all the good ones have ways of drawing through their deck faster. Yours does not. 60 card decks are bad because the chance of drawing cards you need lowers dramatically, making them very unreliable.

The second thing I noticed is that your deck is severely lacking in quanta. With a QI of around 8.3, this deck has severe trouble playing its cards (not to mention powering its Drain Lifes). I would suggest adding a lot more pillars normally, but first we must deal with the size problem. Once we have done this, the amount of quanta usage will inevitably come down.

By reducing the deck size to 30, you're also reducing the number of different unique cards you can have in your deck while keeping it reliable. Unfortunately, this means that your deck will be changed drastically, and that by reducing the size of this one you can get virtually ANY Mono Darkness build.

Because you say this deck is for Arena, though I'd suggest this one, posted by regen2k9 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,30564.msg481739#msg481739) and designed for Bronze League.

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Why is this better? Firstly, it has 30 cards, making its draws much more reliable. Secondly, it has a much better quanta balance (a QI of about 5.6), allowing it to play its cards much more easily. It is also tested to have an 84% winrate against Bronze League, albeit with a small sample size.

You can take many different paths when improving this deck. Just stick to 30 cards unless you have a good reason not to, and use the QI calculator (http://elements.alanbeam.net/qi.php) to get an approximate quanta balance for most decks. I hope this helped. :)
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