Oracle : Dark Matter

[Higurashi]

When people say Sanc helps against DM, they're referring to a rainbow deck vs. DM. Black Holes cripple rainbows, but don't really bother decks like Monoaether since it produces oodles of one type of quanta. The instant you go duo or more, his BH's become better.

[umgrego2]

When people say Sanc helps against DM, they're referring to a rainbow deck vs. DM. Black Holes cripple rainbows, but don't really bother decks like Monoaether since it produces oodles of one type of quanta. The instant you go duo or more, his BH's become better.

It's interesting that you think you can speak for what others are 'referring to' in their posts. It's very clear that Jappert was talking about implementing the sanctuary in a RoL Hope deck. Go back and read the posts if you don't believe me. I thought it would be valuable to put some numbers behind a proposal that sounded like a good idea to me and at least one other person.

Aside from the obvious, the apparent advantage of sanctuary in either a duo deck or a rainbow is twofold. One, it clogs his hand with black holes that he can't play. Two, the grey nymphs are no more a concern. the testing I did confirmed that these side effects are not worth the delay in building up quantum.

[umgrego2]

Probably because your deck isn't built to handle sanctuaries. 4/32 copies, and then considering the costs, you usually aren't going to get it out quickly enough.

4/32 = 1/8 You start with 8 cards, so... there are also 4 pendulums, plus the mark. So, it's turn 3 that you would usually get to play it. The AI is set up to play BH, though, as soon as possible (even with 2 aether and 1 light quanta), which seems counter intuitive. It is because of this counter intuitive play that the sanctuary doesn't work.

[Higurashi]

When people say Sanc helps against DM, they're referring to a rainbow deck vs. DM. Black Holes cripple rainbows, but don't really bother decks like Monoaether since it produces oodles of one type of quanta. The instant you go duo or more, his BH's become better.

It's interesting that you think you can speak for what others are 'referring to' in their posts. It's very clear that Jappert was talking about implementing the sanctuary in a RoL Hope deck. Go back and read the posts if you don't believe me. I thought it would be valuable to put some numbers behind a proposal that sounded like a good idea to me and at least one other person.

Aside from the obvious, the apparent advantage of sanctuary in either a duo deck or a rainbow is twofold. One, it clogs his hand with black holes that he can't play. Two, the grey nymphs are no more a concern. the testing I did confirmed that these side effects are not worth the delay in building up quantum.

It's not especially interesting. "People" refers to people in general, who will always tell you Sanc is good for Rainbows and any other deck that wants to be less bothered by denial. Sanc in RoL/Hope means you -have- to spend , whereas SoG's heal a bit more and you can use either type of quanta. Since you accumulate fast, SoG's are more versatile. Besides, the denial Sanc stops isn't a problem for RoL/Hope.

You have tested adding Sancs to Monoaether, to which what I said applies. I don't change subject randomly.

Dark Matter has Amber Nymphs, not Grey Nymphs, and please don't double post without a good reason.

[ddevans96]

Probably because your deck isn't built to handle sanctuaries. 4/32 copies, and then considering the costs, you usually aren't going to get it out quickly enough.

4/32 = 1/8 You start with 8 cards, so... there are also 4 pendulums, plus the mark. So, it's turn 3 that you would usually get to play it. The AI is set up to play BH, though, as soon as possible (even with 2 aether and 1 light quanta), which seems counter intuitive. It is because of this counter intuitive play that the sanctuary doesn't work.

Thank you for agreeing with me

[Xamuel]

The 2nd deck in OP (the one with no shards) seems to have no counter to Titan.  DM played Titan early = goodnight sweet prince.  Everything else was ok (I swapped some things for lobos since I had 'em) but this seems like a devastating flaw in the deck...

[Bhlewos]

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Got Dark Matter and used the above deck again. Beat him easily (pet Light Nymph's 10 extra healing per turn helped), but again I didn't see a single Lobo the entire game. I guess it's just the RNG (DM didn't see an Oty either), but maybe an extra Lobo might help with drawing it early enough.

[Beforememory]

I had the Lobos and a couple SoGs so I mixed the two decks, ended up only getting 1/6 shields in the first 18 cards =/

[Bhlewos]

Used the modded RoLHope against Dark Matter, and got outrushed this time. Curious, I tried it out in Trainer a few more times and ended up with a 4-4 win/loss rate (counting the two times I've used it so far). Dark Matter can and does outrush this deck a lot, and (in retrospect unsurprisingly) drawing an early Lobo doesn't help. You need all the quanta you can get to play the first Fractal and Sanc.

[ralouf]

I don't agree.. Once you're set up (ie hope with few counter : 7 or 8) you really need a lobo, not a sanc. IMO sanc is usefull if you play 3 RoL at turn 1 and sanc turn 2.. Once you've fractaled you only need to lobo charger/nymph/momentum creature/oty. You don't really care about BH..

[BluexLightning]

The mono aether works really well against dark matter

[jacker]

I easily lost against the Titan, who killed me 8 hp at time