Post by: majofa on July 11, 2010, 07:36:35 pm
No Rares or Upgraded Cards
(Without Lobotomizers: Blessings on Sapphire Chargers and Momentums can kill you quick. He only has 2 of each.)
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Post by: majofa on July 11, 2010, 09:03:48 pm
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Post by: godofdeath500 on July 12, 2010, 12:56:53 am
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Post by: majofa on July 12, 2010, 01:50:53 am
If you have a good deck for Dark Matter that doesn't have any upped or rare cards, let me know. I'm looking for one of those to post as well.
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i think unupped could work too
Post by: Krahhl on September 08, 2010, 03:51:16 am
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Even if I hadn't already been at full health (if he played momentum on the last turn or had Titan), I would've EM'ed anyway, as the Electrocuter landed the killing blow. That was just luck though, and isn't of real importance.
This would probably be fine with only shards upgraded. Dark Matter has no healing or shields (Armagios can be lobo'ed or damaged through) and doesn't have massive damage in early game, so it doesn't matter if your deck is a bit slow. He should die before you deck out anyway.
Post by: Nume on September 08, 2010, 07:00:51 pm
Post by: Higurashi on October 18, 2010, 11:07:16 am
Post by: geekz_always_win on October 27, 2010, 03:39:20 am
Had just 4 shards and an electrocuter!
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Post by: majofa on November 16, 2010, 05:49:11 pm
Post by: Tiltias on November 19, 2010, 07:46:59 pm
got DM on the oracle today and i use mono aether (a little bit different than in OP) :-Unupped worked like a charm- only thing you need upped are SoG'sCode: [Select]61o 61o 61o 61o 61s 61s 61s 61s 61v 61v 6rn 6rn 6rn 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80e 80e 80e
i think unupped could work too
Dark Matter didn't stand a chance
Post by: Daytripper on December 10, 2010, 08:38:07 am
Bout 1: Tanked because I had no lobotomizer, shield was no use.
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Post by: chum3 on January 07, 2011, 03:18:08 pm
It looks like some of these deck modifications use Immortals. That might not be a bad idea, since Dark Matter is constantly Black Hole-ing your quanta, and Immortals can come out a lot quicker and begin doing damage (even if Immortals are low damage-doers). Maybe substituting an Immortal or two for a Phase Dragon in the unupgraded deck, since you're going to have a tough enough time playing 1 dragon.
Post by: Jappert on February 21, 2011, 04:04:16 pm
Info here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21502.0.html
I can't think of any deck apart from RoL/Hope where it'd easily fit in though...
Post by: Higurashi on February 21, 2011, 04:16:05 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on February 21, 2011, 04:28:32 pm
Post by: kobisjeruk on February 22, 2011, 09:31:35 am
Anyone got any ideas how to implement Sanctuary in a Dark Matter deck. I imagine it'd be quite the counter for him?rol/hope doesnt need sanctuary to own DM
Info here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21502.0.html
I can't think of any deck apart from RoL/Hope where it'd easily fit in though...
in fact, i think sanctuary only clog rol/hope hand more than actually helping (you need all the free space you can to optimize fractal and unless you do some orthodox built, you wont actually have any light quanta before you fractal those RoLs)
but yeah, sanctuary is perfect in any rainbow anti-FG
i for one cant wait to test drive sanctuary and skull shield when 1.27 comes around
Post by: wizelsnarf on February 26, 2011, 06:21:10 pm
got DM on the oracle today and i use mono aether (a little bit different than in OP) :-Didn't EM (blasted momentums kept getting played) but this deck is definitely solid against dark matter.Code: [Select]61o 61o 61o 61o 61s 61s 61s 61s 61v 61v 6rn 6rn 6rn 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80e 80e 80e
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i think unupped could work too
Post by: Sevs on March 08, 2011, 07:28:01 am
Post by: Jappert on March 08, 2011, 08:37:24 am
Doesn't the deck on the OP has 7 rares?If you don't own those cards, use the 2nd deck.
Post by: Seraph on April 05, 2011, 03:27:03 am
Both the chargers and the nymphs have to be killed, right? otherwise the nymphs will deny you,
Note: That 4 lobos gives you 75% chance of starting hand lobo.
Post by: YawnChainHow on April 13, 2011, 01:27:10 am
Lightning is for Nymphs first (he has four), then Chargers if you have any to spare. An early Nymph can and will kill you by denying you your :aether and doing the equivalent of 12 damage per turn to your Diss Shield. Naturally, you Antimatter what you must to stay alive, but given the choice it's Dragon>Angel>Charger, because his Angels/Dragons put too much pressure on the shield otherwise. Butterfly Effect is there for the sole purpose of spaying his Nymphs. Its lack of dependence on your :aether is a huge plus. More dead Chargers for you. Do not play the Shield too early or you may be denied the opportunity to Antimatter anything. Mindgate is the wut card right now, aka my failed attempt at drawing out his Gravity Forces (his Otyughs will eat anything you play first).
Once this deck can find a way to reliably lure 5 of his Gravity Forces (dead cards = 3 weapons, 8 GF, 6 dead cards = keeps double draw) it should work quite well.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on April 13, 2011, 01:44:06 am
Post by: YawnChainHow on April 13, 2011, 08:15:59 am
Why not give it a few tries? :)
Post by: Chodos on April 16, 2011, 06:04:54 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on May 13, 2011, 07:46:30 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on May 18, 2011, 03:44:30 pm
Post by: Essence on May 26, 2011, 05:07:21 pm
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Post by: Xenocidius on June 04, 2011, 04:19:16 am
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It's quite risky, of course, but getting an early Sanctuary out practically seals your victory. Use at your own risk.
Only use a Supernova if you have at least 1 :light. Once you have a single Sanctuary out, play it normally. Antimatter Chargers (or the highest attack creature with momentum), quint a Destroyer and Queen, stop drawing once you have some damage and a shield out. Steal Titans (I chose to replace Pulvys with Steals, but either way works). It may be worth taking the Queen and Fractal out.
EDIT: Queen is rendered useless with Otyughs. Replace Fractal with another Quint or use it on one of his creatures.
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on June 04, 2011, 01:33:57 pm
Post by: Higurashi on June 04, 2011, 02:22:23 pm
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Post by: Leo on June 09, 2011, 12:25:21 pm
2 pillars on the first.. dunno.. 7 turns, then I lost. I'm not touching Elements till tomorrow now.
Post by: bioglond on June 14, 2011, 08:40:41 am
Least upgraded
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Post by: Bhlewos on June 16, 2011, 08:42:57 pm
Post by: Xenocidius on June 19, 2011, 08:07:59 am
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Plus, it's a mono (by my definition) deck, which means BHs have little effect.
Post by: ralouf on July 24, 2011, 11:35:09 pm
Post by: ralouf on August 03, 2011, 07:15:28 am
Post by: umgrego2 on August 03, 2011, 06:45:44 pm
First, I ran this:
Then, I ran this:
The deck with sanctuaries only managed four wins in 10 games.
Started playing the SoG deck and it won the first five games straight.
Post by: ddevans96 on August 03, 2011, 07:00:09 pm
Post by: Higurashi on August 03, 2011, 08:05:38 pm
Post by: umgrego2 on August 06, 2011, 02:24:46 pm
When people say Sanc helps against DM, they're referring to a rainbow deck vs. DM. Black Holes cripple rainbows, but don't really bother decks like Monoaether since it produces oodles of one type of quanta. The instant you go duo or more, his BH's become better.It's interesting that you think you can speak for what others are 'referring to' in their posts. It's very clear that Jappert was talking about implementing the sanctuary in a RoL Hope deck. Go back and read the posts if you don't believe me. I thought it would be valuable to put some numbers behind a proposal that sounded like a good idea to me and at least one other person.
Aside from the obvious, the apparent advantage of sanctuary in either a duo deck or a rainbow is twofold. One, it clogs his hand with black holes that he can't play. Two, the grey nymphs are no more a concern. the testing I did confirmed that these side effects are not worth the delay in building up quantum.
Post by: umgrego2 on August 06, 2011, 02:31:54 pm
Probably because your deck isn't built to handle sanctuaries. 4/32 copies, and then considering the costs, you usually aren't going to get it out quickly enough.4/32 = 1/8 You start with 8 cards, so... there are also 4 pendulums, plus the mark. So, it's turn 3 that you would usually get to play it. The AI is set up to play BH, though, as soon as possible (even with 2 aether and 1 light quanta), which seems counter intuitive. It is because of this counter intuitive play that the sanctuary doesn't work.
Post by: Higurashi on August 06, 2011, 03:22:14 pm
It's not especially interesting. "People" refers to people in general, who will always tell you Sanc is good for Rainbows and any other deck that wants to be less bothered by denial. Sanc in RoL/Hope means you -have- to spend :light, whereas SoG's heal a bit more and you can use either type of quanta. Since you accumulate :aether fast, SoG's are more versatile. Besides, the denial Sanc stops isn't a problem for RoL/Hope.When people say Sanc helps against DM, they're referring to a rainbow deck vs. DM. Black Holes cripple rainbows, but don't really bother decks like Monoaether since it produces oodles of one type of quanta. The instant you go duo or more, his BH's become better.It's interesting that you think you can speak for what others are 'referring to' in their posts. It's very clear that Jappert was talking about implementing the sanctuary in a RoL Hope deck. Go back and read the posts if you don't believe me. I thought it would be valuable to put some numbers behind a proposal that sounded like a good idea to me and at least one other person.
Aside from the obvious, the apparent advantage of sanctuary in either a duo deck or a rainbow is twofold. One, it clogs his hand with black holes that he can't play. Two, the grey nymphs are no more a concern. the testing I did confirmed that these side effects are not worth the delay in building up quantum.
You have tested adding Sancs to Monoaether, to which what I said applies. I don't change subject randomly.
Dark Matter has Amber Nymphs, not Grey Nymphs, and please don't double post without a good reason.
Post by: ddevans96 on August 06, 2011, 04:24:37 pm
Thank you for agreeing with me :)Probably because your deck isn't built to handle sanctuaries. 4/32 copies, and then considering the costs, you usually aren't going to get it out quickly enough.4/32 = 1/8 You start with 8 cards, so... there are also 4 pendulums, plus the mark. So, it's turn 3 that you would usually get to play it. The AI is set up to play BH, though, as soon as possible (even with 2 aether and 1 light quanta), which seems counter intuitive. It is because of this counter intuitive play that the sanctuary doesn't work.
Post by: Xamuel on August 15, 2011, 01:28:45 pm
Post by: Bhlewos on September 03, 2011, 06:33:48 pm
ROL: Dark Matter versionGot Dark Matter and used the above deck again. Beat him easily (pet Light Nymph's 10 extra healing per turn helped), but again I didn't see a single Lobo the entire game. I guess it's just the RNG (DM didn't see an Oty either), but maybe an extra Lobo might help with drawing it early enough.
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Post by: Higurashi on October 16, 2011, 11:56:48 am
Winrate so far: 2-0
EM's: 2
There's a small chance of not drawing enough SoG's/early Electro, and a small chance of decking out if you're low on quanta or bottomdeck Dragons. There's no room to replace a Tower for another Dragon unless you're hoping for a lot of quanta at the start, but you could simply add another Dragon if you're having trouble with it. I didn't.
Semi-upped version worked on my alt today:
Winrate: 1-0
EM's: 1
Post by: Bootsza on November 03, 2011, 04:51:32 pm
The SoG nerf makes this matchup a LOT tighter :) I have gone 3-0 with your re-vamped deck but 2 of those games were seriously close in both damage and decking out.
Post by: Higurashi on November 03, 2011, 05:20:59 pm
Post by: Xenocidius on January 06, 2012, 02:10:28 am
It ... sort of works. You risk being rushed and/or decking out. Fun though.
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Post by: furballdn on January 07, 2012, 03:26:06 am
Post by: gumbeh on February 04, 2012, 08:16:41 am
I wonder why this hasn't been discussed further. Most of the decks that rely on 6 dim shields have games where it's impossible to use your first dim shield in time to save you, due to not drawing it or not getting enough quanta. The MA in the OP require you both to get a dim shield out, an electrocutor out, and afford using it, or you quickly die to damage that doesn't care about your shield while BH nibbles at your quanta. I only have to lose with a deck 4 oracle DM predictions in a row (over the course of a couple months) to realize that while it may be a good deck, it's no counter deck.Code: [Select]6rn 6rn 6rn 6rn 744 744 744 744 744 744 744 744 744 744 744 744 746 746 746 74c 74c 74c 74c 74c 74c 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2 7n2
I believe a variation of this deck would be a good counter to DM. Titans get past Gravity Pull, but that's not all. DM uses Gravity Pull on your Armagios and animated Titans for you. That's right, it blocks out its own damage. SoGs heal damage inflicted by momentumed creatures. You can let a Titan take damage for a while, then lure it away with Armagio.
Plus, it's a mono (by my definition) deck, which means BHs have little effect.
Xeno's deck, so far, worked for me today. Anyone else tried it?
Post by: majofa on February 04, 2012, 08:46:19 am
Post by: hainkarga on February 13, 2012, 09:49:37 am
Doesn't work any more with the change to SoG, now 2 Chargers is more than you can heal.Oracle rolled me DM, i checked this thread, read your post and spontaneously made this and won.
Post by: UnderneathTheLens on April 27, 2012, 10:41:19 pm
My fail attempt at a Dark Matter counter:
It ... sort of works. You risk being rushed and/or decking out. Fun though.
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Dragon = last card. I tried fractaling archangels once I got down to about 4-5 cards, but it wasn't enough.
Post by: furballdn on May 09, 2012, 01:58:45 am
Post by: Higurashi on May 18, 2012, 10:18:39 pm
This, however, has actually won twice now. The risk here is late Lobo.
Post by: majofa on May 21, 2012, 02:56:04 pm
Tried PU's in a Sanc duo (with Fractal AA's). He pulled Gravy Farces every time I got PU's, which basically eradicated my offence. I would never recommend them.Great minds think alike, right? I had the same deck except with a flip on the mark and pendulums.
This, however, has actually won twice now. The risk here is late Lobo.
Post by: Sevs on May 21, 2012, 03:10:46 pm
Post by: gumbeh on May 22, 2012, 08:30:18 am
Post by: furballdn on May 23, 2012, 02:02:12 am
Tried PU's in a Sanc duo (with Fractal AA's). He pulled Gravy Farces every time I got PU's, which basically eradicated my offence. I would never recommend them.That deck works great. Only problem is a late lobo or late sanct, but I was able to get sanct out second turn.
This, however, has actually won twice now. The risk here is late Lobo.
Post by: Absol on June 19, 2012, 01:55:09 pm
Post by: ShareWarFare on July 27, 2012, 06:17:42 pm
Won this god in my first attempt. If you dont have labotomizer use lightning instead and use it only on elite charger or gravity nymph.
I won gravity force in my spins 8)
Post by: ddevans96 on August 11, 2012, 09:19:38 am
Slow as hell because of early black holes, gravity pulls, and having to protect quanta, but it works.
Post by: Moraku on November 03, 2012, 02:27:27 am
Poisondial SoSa works great. EM'd him just now. Though, it might be hard if you don't have early poison.This Poisondial variation seems to do a lot better. Getting an early Arsenic seems to be paramount for victory.
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Post by: deuce22 on December 10, 2012, 02:39:59 pm
Post by: onering20 on February 07, 2013, 11:29:18 pm
regarding the first counter in the OP, I think it is an excellent counter, except twice now I've lost because dark matter never played an angel. I suggest - 1 light tower +1 angel.
this works so far pretty well (i had mostly unupped too) but i think the second one in the op needs to be edited since sog are a dead card in monoaether
Post by: Anthraxx on March 01, 2013, 08:37:35 am
Updated 4 arse deck, still EMs quite easily.
Post by: automeris on March 05, 2013, 04:24:22 pm
Today I got Dark Matter, and looked here to see what people were saying, but didn't see any decks that looked better than what I had used back then to beat him twice after a long string of losses. Got a very easy EM despite getting black holed on turn 2 and having Titan and a dragon against me.
Wildlife Sanctuary (Freeze or Be Eaten):
Get a sanctuary down as soon as possible. Try not to play things unquinted, but if you have Mindgate out and his hand is clogged, you have a margin of safety. Today I played my two Quints on an Octopus and an Otyugh, and eventually got away with playing a Lava Destroyer unprotected because I was down to 18 cards, and he wasn't gravity forcing his last antimattered critter. But the deck can deal damage fast once it gets going, so that might have been unnecessary. A Lava Destroyer will deal 187 points in 11 turns, so I probably should have waited.
The key cards for control are the Octopus and the Otyugh. You can freeze what isn't antimattered, including his weapon via your Voodoo Doll. Heals are there to provide EM, and can help if you have trouble with healing, which you really shouldn't. As was mentioned elsewhere, don't waste a Supernova until you have a Light quantum and a Sanctuary to play.
Sadly, most of this deck does need to be upped. The towers in order to get quatna fast enough in the beginning to have a chance at getting Sanctuary down, and the Supernova and Sanctuary cards also toward that end, and the Otyugh in order to be able to start eating on the Nymphs before moving up to the tastier damage dealers. Fortunately, Quantum Towers and Supernovae are early ups for most people. You could try it with the other cards unupped.
Post by: deuce22 on March 23, 2013, 12:35:46 am
Updated 4 arse deck, still EMs quite easily.
This worked surprisingly well. Even if you draw no quanta, it's still an easy win.
Post by: trashduke on April 05, 2013, 12:35:09 pm
Updated 4 arse deck, still EMs quite easily.
This worked surprisingly well. Even if you draw no quanta, it's still an easy win.
Yup - just got an EM with this. This deck works better than the standard pdials build (with light mark and SoDiv) - your HP isn't as high, but it's much more consistent and doesn't get shut down as easily (even when he pulled out two Gravy Nymph with black holes each turn - still managed to EM).
Update - well I'm 1 for 2 with this deck. Just played and didn't get another SoSac when I needed it. Oh well.
Update 2: same deal as before, plenty of Death quanta, but no SoSac when I need it. I only drew 2 in 20 cards, which is not so likely given 6 of them in the deck. damn RNG.....
Post by: procproc on April 24, 2013, 10:34:10 pm
Caveat: I'm basing that off of one game (which I did win, but not EM). But I was significantly less happy to see sundials with this build than I normally am playing poison dials.
Post by: ColorlessGreen on April 24, 2013, 11:03:27 pm
Maybe I'm just more used to the standard version of poison dials, but the mono-death version felt really awkward to me. Partly, the lower life total mattered, but the fact that you don't have light quanta to draw off the sundials means they actually cost you a card instead of replacing themselves.
Caveat: I'm basing that off of one game (which I did win, but not EM). But I was significantly less happy to see sundials with this build than I normally am playing poison dials.
They cost you a card but gain you a turn of stalling. Most of the time against dark matter you don't get to keep your light quanta anyways, so it's not like having a light mark would let you power your dials for most of the game.
Exception would be if he bottomdecks most of his black holes and all of his gravy nymphs, but if that happens you'll win with pretty much whatever.
Post by: skyironsword on May 05, 2013, 11:16:56 am
Post by: ColorlessGreen on May 05, 2013, 03:30:40 pm
Third deck in post fails horribly, he keeps using momentum...
That deck has (from what I've seen) the lowest win rate of any unupped prediction decks in any of the OPs. In order for it to work, DM has to get a fairly poor draw, and you have to get lucky with lightnings. Save the lightnings for momentumed creatures. FWIW, while it's still good enough that I'm confident it's net-profitable, I don't even bother attempting to use that deck as written most of the time.
If you have a lobo or two, swapping them in drastically boosts the win rate.
Post by: Pella on May 16, 2013, 02:54:00 pm
No Rares or Upgraded CardsWhy do I even bother playing this deck? I have it stored in my spreadsheet, except somewhere along the line it acquired a foreveralone Lobo. Utterly useless. He comes out with his Elite Chargers, so no matter how many Dim Shields I play, I'm dead super quickly. Two days in a row I've played this deck against Dark Matter. Never again.
(Without Lobotomizers: Blessings on Sapphire Chargers and Momentums can kill you quick. He only has 2 of each.)
Post by: ColorlessGreen on May 16, 2013, 03:05:49 pm
No Rares or Upgraded CardsWhy do I even bother playing this deck? I have it stored in my spreadsheet, except somewhere along the line it acquired a foreveralone Lobo. Utterly useless. He comes out with his Elite Chargers, so no matter how many Dim Shields I play, I'm dead super quickly. Two days in a row I've played this deck against Dark Matter. Never again.
(Without Lobotomizers: Blessings on Sapphire Chargers and Momentums can kill you quick. He only has 2 of each.)
Yeah, this is probably the single, solitary prediction deck that I never even bother attempting anymore. It can work when it gets a really lucky draw and dark matter gets a poor draw - i.e. if you draw more lightnings than he draws nymphs+chargers (while still being able to chain shields, get damage out, and not just die to titan), but this is not common. However, the addition of ~2 lobos (more is better) significantly boosts the win rate, since basically all you need to do is get an early lobo and it's game over.
I'm also pretty sure that the light/aether duo (assuming 2-4 lobos again) would be a better unupped counter than the mono aether.
I have just about no idea what to do about a totally unupped and rareless counter, though. A water/light/aether trio (water only for mind flayers, light only for sancs) might work if you pack six sancs and topdeck one and otherwise have a good draw, but it's pretty much full of fail conditions and seems like it may well just wind up in the same place as the mono aether where it only wins when it both gets a good draw and DM gets a bad draw.
Stupid DM.
Post by: Pella on May 16, 2013, 03:19:16 pm
automeris has a rainbow deck in this thread that s/he claims worked well. I have most of those cards upped. I think I'll try that next time.Yeah, this is probably the single, solitary prediction deck that I never even bother attempting anymore. It can work when it gets a really lucky draw and dark matter gets a poor draw - i.e. if you draw more lightnings than he draws nymphs+chargers (while still being able to chain shields, get damage out, and not just die to titan), but this is not common. However, the addition of ~2 lobos (more is better) significantly boosts the win rate, since basically all you need to do is get an early lobo and it's game over.No Rares or Upgraded CardsWhy do I even bother playing this deck? I have it stored in my spreadsheet, except somewhere along the line it acquired a foreveralone Lobo. Utterly useless. He comes out with his Elite Chargers, so no matter how many Dim Shields I play, I'm dead super quickly. Two days in a row I've played this deck against Dark Matter. Never again.
(Without Lobotomizers: Blessings on Sapphire Chargers and Momentums can kill you quick. He only has 2 of each.)
I'm also pretty sure that the light/aether duo (assuming 2-4 lobos again) would be a better unupped counter than the mono aether.
I have just about no idea what to do about a totally unupped and rareless counter, though. A water/light/aether trio (water only for mind flayers, light only for sancs) might work if you pack six sancs and topdeck one and otherwise have a good draw, but it's pretty much full of fail conditions and seems like it may well just wind up in the same place as the mono aether where it only wins when it both gets a good draw and DM gets a bad draw.
Stupid DM.
Post by: skyironsword on May 18, 2013, 03:59:16 pm
Post by: furballdn on May 19, 2013, 11:29:37 pm
Pretty nice, but it might just be me, but having SoSac cost quanta now really hurts. He will BH and your quanta isn't exactly superfluous in the first place.
Updated 4 arse deck, still EMs quite easily.
Post by: jsrjohnny on May 24, 2013, 02:53:00 pm
Post by: ColorlessGreen on May 24, 2013, 03:08:03 pm
To anyone having trouble with the nymphs: Remember that you can use a Shard of Sacrifice to prevent the AI from playing creatures.
This is an important enough statement that it needs quoted.
I would consider this basically key to dark matter with pdials and pdials-alikes.
Post by: Zso_Zso on May 24, 2013, 06:24:04 pm
Yes, its fat and sanctuaries do not synergize well with SoSa, BUT hear me out:
1. Try to get a sanctuary up ASAP, that will stop him from BH-ing you to death
2. Early-to-mid game, use sundials, divinities and sanctuaries to stay alive, let him pack lots of damage
3. Use SoSa late-game when you must to heal back to a high-HP EM, his damage outweighs your sanc-hurt in SoSa, just watch out for your HP when playing the SoSa, you need to be above 40+4x(#sancs).
Post by: Daenyathos on June 06, 2013, 10:15:04 am
Tried to adapt this deck to what upgraded cards I had. Ended up EMing Dark Matter with this:
Unfortunately, before the healing and shields kicked in, I was left with only 2 HPs, and I only survived because I had a virus pet (which I used a turn later than I should have) that got rid of a charger for me, otherwise I'd have been toast...
Cheers!
Post by: Pella on June 18, 2013, 07:44:02 am
-snip-Yeah, right. I had Quantum Towers that refused to produce any :light for several turns. When they finally started to build toward the 4 :light I needed for my first Sanctuary, Dark Matter hit me with BH three turns in a row. The FG theme music was still going strong when he EM'd me.
Wildlife Sanctuary (Freeze or Be Eaten):
Get a sanctuary down as soon as possible.
-snip-
Post by: ColorlessGreen on June 18, 2013, 03:13:30 pm
The FG theme music was still going strong when he EM'd me.
Sorry for the brief hijack here, but I've been playing since autumn 2009 and I just now learned that FGs have their own special theme music.
Maybe I should try playing the game with the sound on at least once.
Post by: Pella on June 19, 2013, 08:31:18 am
Music is a setting separate from sound. You can turn on the music and still play without the sound effects.The FG theme music was still going strong when he EM'd me.
Sorry for the brief hijack here, but I've been playing since autumn 2009 and I just now learned that FGs have their own special theme music.
Maybe I should try playing the game with the sound on at least once.
Post by: ColorlessGreen on June 19, 2013, 04:53:55 pm
Music is a setting separate from sound. You can turn on the music and still play without the sound effects.The FG theme music was still going strong when he EM'd me.
Sorry for the brief hijack here, but I've been playing since autumn 2009 and I just now learned that FGs have their own special theme music.
Maybe I should try playing the game with the sound on at least once.
Oh, I know. I just play with all sound off, since I'm usually listening to other music or watching something or talking to someone or whatever other thing that means I don't generally want my web browser to make noise.
Post by: Optimalist on June 26, 2013, 07:47:57 am
-snip-Yeah, right. I had Quantum Towers that refused to produce any :light for several turns. When they finally started to build toward the 4 :light I needed for my first Sanctuary, Dark Matter hit me with BH three turns in a row. The FG theme music was still going strong when he EM'd me.
Wildlife Sanctuary (Freeze or Be Eaten):
Get a sanctuary down as soon as possible.
-snip-
Post by: Submachine on September 13, 2013, 09:46:52 am
I won an upgraded Relic from Dark Matter with this today.
Updated 4 arse deck, still EMs quite easily.
Post by: trashduke on March 06, 2014, 03:02:28 am
Post by: bripod on April 22, 2014, 07:39:35 pm
Sanctuary seems like a must in any deck vs DM as BH's will keep your Q drained and leave you tossing cards.
Lobo also seems like a great fit to kill off the healing power of Angels and get rid of shield passing Momentum.
The Aether Light Duo in the OP does have its appeal but might be rather dated, so I played around a bit and came up with this:
I generally try NOT to play Light Pends until I have Sanct in hand and can generate 3 Q to play it in the same turn.
Yes, GP can be a pain but with 3 Dragons on screen it's just a one turn annoyance...
Hope this provides some relief for someone...
-bripod
Post by: hainkarga on May 05, 2014, 07:08:54 am
-towers +pends
Post by: Kirandio on May 21, 2014, 07:42:02 pm
I ran with a version of Speed Poison Kamikaze (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/duo-decks/speed-poison-kamikaze-(gold)(plat)/) and got a win just now.
Post by: UnderneathTheLens on June 15, 2014, 03:26:12 am
Absolutely one of the hardest FG's to defeat... I only have a 27.27% win ratio vs Dark Matter, the lowest of all FG's...
Sanctuary seems like a must in any deck vs DM as BH's will keep your Q drained and leave you tossing cards.
Lobo also seems like a great fit to kill off the healing power of Angels and get rid of shield passing Momentum.
The Aether Light Duo in the OP does have its appeal but might be rather dated, so I played around a bit and came up with this:
I generally try NOT to play Light Pends until I have Sanct in hand and can generate 3 Q to play it in the same turn.
Yes, GP can be a pain but with 3 Dragons on screen it's just a one turn annoyance...
Hope this provides some relief for someone...
-bripod
I tried this, but had only 1 light pend for the first 5 turns, and by that time I had already been demolished.
Post by: jtmjtw1 on July 30, 2014, 06:21:49 pm
I haven't looked at DMs deck yet, am I lucky that he only played 2 chargers, or is that normal? Anyway, it works. :D
Post by: Lech on March 15, 2015, 05:05:58 pm
On a plus side, it does em quite often and have high win rate. That said, it require a lot of rare cards:
Plan is simple:
Play Nymph with Quintessence, antimatter incoming mobs.
If you have a chance to play sanctuary (you need both nova and supernova, don't play two suppernovas because you'll LOSE!) go for it - it's your no.2 priority. Second Sanctuary is for EM.
Then, after situation is stable, play eternity and don't use it until you have 0 cards left in your deck, then you keep recyling Nymph for the win (yeah, quite stupid to rewind time mob with 9 cost each turn, but it works as you produce 11 quanta each turn, but if it sound stupid but works it isn't stupid).
Never play 3rd and 4th Nymphs, when you are forced to discard, discard useless cards instead (3rd and 4th quint, 4th nymph, then supernova if you have two, then improved heal, then sanctuary)
When you play second nymph, antimatter it before quinting, this way, false god lose just 1 hp each turn, so he will deck out.
This is second version, with heals.
This is third version:
This one actually attempt to kill the false god, not merely mill him. It's way faster to play, so i'd recommend it.
It's version on the cheap (ha ha, with 4 nymphs, 1 shard, 1 rare and total 19 upped cards, good joke), below that you won't be able to produce quanta fast enough to beat the false god. Perhaps you can use less upped pillars, i didn't tested how those decrease winning chances.
BIG UPDATE: After a lot of testing, i settled on such deck:
Sadly, the only variant that is cheaper is the one without improved heal - use regular heal instead, upped time towers are crucial. Antimatter priorities: 8/30 dragon, 7/7 angel, 7/5 charger, 0/5 that get improved blessing, 1/4 black hole nymph. I'm not sure if you want any pet at all, you have to consider it yourself. Discard priority: start with discarding any nymph but one you have in play, and second in your hand, they are not required, then discard all but one quints, then discard supernovas/heal. You can't discard: shard of wisdom (your wincondition!), sanctuary (also win condition!), eternity (you won't be able to win without it), nymph (unless you have one in deck, you have 4 total so you can discard two during the course of the game). Don't play more than one nymph with quint, it's unnecessary. Last turn (you attack for 11) do improved heal for EM. If you don't care about em at all, all you want is victory, you can replace heal with another sanctuary and perhaps add rewind to not die to eternity as a last card.
I written this wall of text because i HATE dark matter, there should be special place in hell for guy who invented the deck. I'm glad it don't have tech shard of focus, because then it would be unstoppable.
(http://imgur.com/05yQzKv)
I figured out that most common way to lose is not having quinted nymph fast enough, you can get screwed with sanctuary, you may not get eternity, but way higher chance is to lose because you don't have nymph. Therefore, for people that don't value EM that high, replacing Heal with either Quint or Nymph (tbf both are just as expendable) is going to improve win ratio the most (and decrease chances for em to 0).
Post by: vincentlag on November 20, 2016, 02:43:52 pm
Post by: manaboy100 on July 16, 2017, 06:49:42 pm
3 games 3 wins, 1 EM, solid enough IMO, further testing will be done if I spun DM again ;D
Post by: trashduke on May 19, 2019, 04:20:52 am
