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Re: Upgrade | Downgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19903.msg380065#msg380065
« Reply #48 on: August 14, 2011, 02:00:49 am »
In any case, a large cost decrease is warranted. 5 :rainbow for a slightly better card and 4 :rainbow for a weaker Rewind? I think not.
Agreed. If you upgrade an Hourglass you have to wait multiple turns for the quanta savings to matter, and that doesn't even take into account the unmentioned cost of putting Upgrade in your deck instead of another card.

Nerfing an Elite Otyugh or Elite FFQ might be worth 4 :rainbow, but not many other application will be. Fire Lance, Steal, or Reverse Time are more specific in application, but significantly more effective.

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Re: Upgrade | Downgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19903.msg380227#msg380227
« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2011, 03:06:47 pm »
In any case, a large cost decrease is warranted. 5 :rainbow for a slightly better card and 4 :rainbow for a weaker Rewind? I think not.
Agreed. If you upgrade an Hourglass you have to wait multiple turns for the quanta savings to matter, and that doesn't even take into account the unmentioned cost of putting Upgrade in your deck instead of another card.

Nerfing an Elite Otyugh or Elite FFQ might be worth 4 :rainbow, but not many other application will be. Fire Lance, Steal, or Reverse Time are more specific in application, but significantly more effective.
While this may be true, the card can only affect things played on the field, so it's physically impossible to use this card on spells.

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Re: Upgrade | Downgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19903.msg380279#msg380279
« Reply #50 on: August 14, 2011, 05:57:21 pm »
37 types of Pillar/ Pendulum/ Mark
->Benefit 0
Dagger
->Benefit 2 Attack
Short Sword
->Benefit 3 Attack
Hammer
->Benefit 3 Attack
Short Bow
->Benefit 3 Attack
Shield
->Benefit +1 DR
Malignant Cell
->Benefit -1 Attack ( :o)
Shards
->Benefit to be determined after the current overhaul of Shards.
Photon
->Benefit +Biolum
Golden Dragon
->Benefit +2|+2
Pegasus
->Benefit +1|+2, +1 Dive Attack
Solar Shield
->Benefit 0
Guardian Angel
->Benefit +6|+1
Reflective Shield
->Benefit +1DR
Hope
->Benefit +1DR
Crusader
->Benefit +1|+1, -1 Activation Cost
Sanctuary
->Benefit 0
Light Nymph
->Benefit -1 Activation Cost
Black Dragon
->Benefit +2|+1
Devourer
->Benefit +0|+2
Parasite
->Benefit +2|+0
Dusk Mantle
->Benefit 0
Nightfall
->Benefit +1|+0 to all dark/death creatures
Minor Vampire
->Benefit +2|+1
Gargoyle
->Benefit +2|+0
Voodoo Doll
->Benefit +0|+4
Cloak
->Benefit 0
Vampire Stiletto
->Benefit +2Attack, +2 Vampire
Black Nymph
->Benefit +2|+0
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Re: Upgrade | Downgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19903.msg380646#msg380646
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2011, 10:47:44 pm »
I'm going to assume the overall enhance would be worth be giving a creature +2 | +2, based on the varying worth of the improved cards. Your interpretation may vary.
+2 | +2 boost would be be worth 2  :underworld, based on blessing.

1.5 + 1.5 (Elemental Cost) = (Other Cost)
1.5 + 1.5 (2) = 4.5 ≈ 5

As for Downgrade, it's has more of an offensive focus, but on average I'd think it gives a -2 | -2 debuff, similar to upgrade, which I think would be also worth  2  :underworld. Upgrades usually result in a -1 or -2 cost, so it could cost 3.5 or 2.5 , which rounds to 4-3 quantum respectively.

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Re: Upgrade | Downgrade https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19903.msg380650#msg380650
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2011, 11:00:29 pm »
37 types of Pillar/ Pendulum/ Mark
->Benefit 0
Dagger
->Benefit 2 Attack
Short Sword
->Benefit 3 Attack
Hammer
->Benefit 3 Attack
Short Bow
->Benefit 3 Attack
Shield
->Benefit +1 DR
Malignant Cell
->Benefit -1 Attack ( :o)
Shards
->Benefit to be determined after the current overhaul of Shards.
Photon
->Benefit +Biolum
Golden Dragon
->Benefit +2|+2
Pegasus
->Benefit +1|+2, +1 Dive Attack
Solar Shield
->Benefit 0
Guardian Angel
->Benefit +6|+1
Reflective Shield
->Benefit +1DR
Hope
->Benefit +1DR
Crusader
->Benefit +1|+1
Sanctuary
->Benefit 0
Light Nymph
->Benefit -1 Activation Cost
Black Dragon
->Benefit +2|+1
Devourer
->Benefit +0|+2
Parasite
->Benefit +2|+0
Dusk Mantle
->Benefit 0
Nightfall
->Benefit +1|+0 to all dark/death creatures
Minor Vampire
->Benefit +2|+1
Gargoyle
->Benefit +2|+0
Voodoo Doll
->Benefit +0|+4
Cloak
->Benefit 0
Vampire Stiletto
->Benefit +2Attack, +2 Vampire
Black Nymph
->Benefit +2|+0
Crusader
->Benefit +1|+1, -1 Activation Cost

 

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