*Author

Offline GGTopic starter

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2253
  • Reputation Power: 28
  • GG is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.GG is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.GG is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.GG is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.GG is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.
  • Retired from everything...
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 5th Birthday Cake3rd Trials - Master of Gravity2nd Trials - Master of GravityC-C-C-Combo Maker Winner!Weekly Tournament WinnerChampionship League 1/2011 WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerChampionship League 3/2010 2nd PlaceNew Passive Ability Competition Winner
Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg177753#msg177753
« on: October 16, 2010, 05:51:13 pm »
NAME:
Quantum Pendulum
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
0
TYPE:
Permanent (Pendulum)
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Alternatively generates 3 random quanta and 1 quantum matching your mark.
NAME:
Quantum Pendulum
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
0
TYPE:
Permanent (Pendulum)
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Alternatively generates 3 random quanta and 1 quantum matching your mark. Gain 3 extra quanta when you play this card.
ART:
Pendulum Art + 'Other' Mark made by myself from Earth mark (originally done by GG)
replaced by andretimpa's edit of Pendulum Art.
IDEA:
GirlsGeneration
NOTES:
The 'other' version of Pendulums. Now I get the reason why Zanz, at leaast up until now, did not make this card.
1. The upgraded card's text doesn't fit the text area <_<
2. It's really hard to balance.

Only while writing this I realized that this card has much lower average quanta generation rate of 2 than Quantum pillar with 3. How should it be balanced?
SERIES:
« Last Edit: January 22, 2016, 09:03:16 am by Hyroen »
Ex-Master of :gravity, still a fervid supporter! GO GRAVY!

Offline OldTrees

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 10297
  • Reputation Power: 114
  • OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • I was available for questions.
  • Awards: Brawl #2 Winner - Team FireTeam Card Design Winner
Re: Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg177787#msg177787
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2010, 06:18:00 pm »
Is it not already balanced?

Quantum Pillars produce 3 random/turn [1/4 a quanta to each]
Normal Pendulums produce alternating quanta (1/turn)/2 and (1/turn)/2 = 1/turn

A quantum pendulum would be more focused than a quantum pillar and thus should produce less
A quantum pendulum would be less focused than a normal pendulum and thus should produce more

3>X>1
X=2

A quantum pendulum should produce an average of 2 quanta per turn.
"It is common sense to listen to the wisdom of the wise. The wise are marked by their readiness to listen to the wisdom of the fool."
"Nothing exists that cannot be countered." -OldTrees on indirect counters
Ask the Idea Guru: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32272.0.htm

Offline AnonymousRevival

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2173
  • Country: hk
  • Reputation Power: 25
  • AnonymousRevival is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.AnonymousRevival is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.AnonymousRevival is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.AnonymousRevival is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.AnonymousRevival is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.
  • Aethemera, aether et lux
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 6th Birthday Cake
Re: Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg178170#msg178170
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2010, 09:52:11 am »
Do we need a quantum pendulum, why not set up a poll?
Ignotum venit retro vivere. :aether :light

Offline GGTopic starter

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2253
  • Reputation Power: 28
  • GG is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.GG is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.GG is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.GG is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.GG is a proud Wyrm taking wing for the first time.
  • Retired from everything...
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 5th Birthday Cake3rd Trials - Master of Gravity2nd Trials - Master of GravityC-C-C-Combo Maker Winner!Weekly Tournament WinnerChampionship League 1/2011 WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerWeekly Tournament WinnerChampionship League 3/2010 2nd PlaceNew Passive Ability Competition Winner
Re: Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg178406#msg178406
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2010, 05:05:25 pm »
Do we need a quantum pendulum, why not set up a poll?
everything's going to be determined after this card goes to crucible.
Ex-Master of :gravity, still a fervid supporter! GO GRAVY!

Offline Hyroen

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 3556
  • Country: ca
  • Reputation Power: 52
  • Hyroen brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Hyroen brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Hyroen brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Hyroen brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Hyroen brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Hyroen brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Hyroen brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Hyroen brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Hyroen brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.Hyroen brings all the vitality and activity of a Life Nymph.
  • like. follow. tweet.
  • Awards: Slice of Elements 8th Birthday CakeWar #10 Winner - Team AirSlice of Elements 7th Birthday CakeSilver DonorSlice of Elements 4th Birthday CakeSkill of the Elemental : Mark of ProtectionWeekly Tournament WinnerSlice of Elements 3rd Birthday Cake
Re: Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg178410#msg178410
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2010, 05:08:46 pm »
I heard talk about this kind of thing possibly being made but being rare. It's an interesting concept.
WAR X - TEAM :air AIR

   [EtG Council]   |   [Card Ideas & Art]   |   [Guilds]

Kuross

  • Guest
Re: Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg178415#msg178415
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2010, 05:15:59 pm »
I like the idea myself and can see where it being a rare is not a bad idea given any quanta tower that guarantees me a quanta of my mark every turn is pretty powerful. Generating two random in place of three might be a safer way of going as it would tip Rainbow decks further into the more powerful spectrum.

Offline OldTrees

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 10297
  • Reputation Power: 114
  • OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.OldTrees is a mythical and divine giver of immortality, one of the Turquoise Nymphs.
  • I was available for questions.
  • Awards: Brawl #2 Winner - Team FireTeam Card Design Winner
Re: Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg178653#msg178653
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2010, 10:05:25 pm »
I like the idea myself and can see where it being a rare is not a bad idea given any quanta tower that guarantees me a quanta of my mark every turn is pretty powerful. Generating two random in place of three might be a safer way of going as it would tip Rainbow decks further into the more powerful spectrum.
The thing is it doesn't guarantee a quanta of your mark on the turns where it gives 3 random quanta.
(random quanta is random)
"It is common sense to listen to the wisdom of the wise. The wise are marked by their readiness to listen to the wisdom of the fool."
"Nothing exists that cannot be countered." -OldTrees on indirect counters
Ask the Idea Guru: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32272.0.htm

Offline moomoose

  • Legendary Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 2737
  • Reputation Power: 37
  • moomoose is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.moomoose is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.moomoose is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.moomoose is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.moomoose is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.moomoose is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.moomoose is a Gargoyle, dangerous and everlasting.
  • I'm big in Japan.
  • Awards: Winner of the Mark Redesign competition!
Re: Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg178655#msg178655
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2010, 10:11:36 pm »
its a really good idea, but i dont know if it is interesting enough to get through the voting process as it is currently set up.  seems like something that should have been added to the game last patch.
moose dont say moo.

dramore

  • Guest
Re: Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg178781#msg178781
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2010, 01:27:18 am »
My idea would be.

Alternatively generates 3 random quanta and 2 quantum matching your mark.

and

Alternatively generates 3 random quanta and 2 quantum matching your mark. Gain 3 extra quanta when you play this card.

That give it an average quanta generation rate of 2.5 instead of 2 of the current way. Also instead of the 3 of the Quantum Towers but it also gives more of your mark to make up for that loss.

Offline Seiya

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 289
  • Reputation Power: 4
  • Seiya is a Spark waiting for a buff.
Re: Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg178840#msg178840
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2010, 02:39:28 am »
@dramore: I think that would cause people to use normal pillars much less often because the only downside is that they get the quanta all at once instead of a little each turn.

Offline karis

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 882
  • Reputation Power: 12
  • karis is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.karis is taking their first peeks out of the Antlion's burrow.
  • Old to Elements
Re: Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg178899#msg178899
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2010, 05:18:21 am »
i'm think 3 random and 1 as mark is already good

3 random quanta is look like quantum tower   and why don't it's imbalance if you make pendulum by use that way?

Rooftrellen

  • Guest
Re: Quantum Pendulum | Quantum Pendulum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14083.msg178950#msg178950
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2010, 09:54:03 am »
It seems balanced, but is it desirable?

It seems to me that the purpose of the pendulums was to push people more toward decks of fewer elements, rather than using most or all element rainbow decks, and it feels, at least to me, that it was a good step in that direction.

Adding a pendulum like this would, of course, produce much more of the quanta of a person's mark, but it would still be producing quanta for rainbows, not more concentrated decks.

If this was, indeed, the reason pendulums were introduced, I would have to say this is a bad idea.

That being said, I don't think its a reason to try to shoot down a balanced idea, since, if that were to be the case, it would just never be added to the game.

 

anything
blarg: