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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1062934#msg1062934
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2013, 12:57:10 am »
Rereading the notes I got another question. Whenever I play a new weapon to substitute another, the old weapon is counted as leaving play? (I'm thinking of this + AW + Dirk + Fractal)
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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1062937#msg1062937
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2013, 01:02:52 am »
That's... interesting.  I didn't account for something like that to be used...  Maybe I will change it to just destroyed permanents.

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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1062988#msg1062988
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2013, 03:49:49 am »
That's... interesting.  I didn't account for something like that to be used...  Maybe I will change it to just destroyed permanents.

I didn't brought it up earlier because for some reason I thought switching shields/weapons didn't count. Changing it to destroyed would also remove the potential problem with sundials I pointed earlier. It also prevents buffing dim shield indirectly (which is really unnecessary in my opinion).
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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1063048#msg1063048
« Reply #27 on: April 23, 2013, 10:03:33 am »
stats are too low for the cost. unless it attacks every time you sacrifice a card not just once that turn.
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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1063090#msg1063090
« Reply #28 on: April 23, 2013, 12:23:08 pm »
stats are too low for the cost. unless it attacks every time you sacrifice a card not just once that turn.

It attacks as any other creature and gets extra attacks through its ability (can be more than 1 extra per turn).
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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1063107#msg1063107
« Reply #29 on: April 23, 2013, 03:02:14 pm »
Also, as a :gravity creature, it is thematically supposed to have a slightly subpar attack.

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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1063162#msg1063162
« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2013, 06:54:42 pm »
stats are too low for the cost. unless it attacks every time you sacrifice a card not just once that turn.
I think it attacks every time any permanent gets destroyed... it just has the ability to sacrifice to fuel that trait.

The stats are good, maybe even a little high actually...

Potentially, you could make this thing attack more times than an frog souped up on adrenaline.

It will be very potent when if buffed.... would make an ideal candidate for overdrive. The sacrifice is its active skill, so it would retain the extra attack trait.

Given its high HP, rage potions would be a common combo as well...

If you throw a full hand of 8 cards into it, I think an OTK is possible here:
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Thats a total of 3*(8+6)*3 = 126 damage.
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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1063201#msg1063201
« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2013, 09:26:12 pm »
Rereading the notes I got another question. Whenever I play a new weapon to substitute another, the old weapon is counted as leaving play? (I'm thinking of this + AW + Dirk + Fractal)

It's a four card combo, I think it'll be fine.

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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1063300#msg1063300
« Reply #32 on: April 24, 2013, 02:48:10 am »
Rereading the notes I got another question. Whenever I play a new weapon to substitute another, the old weapon is counted as leaving play? (I'm thinking of this + AW + Dirk + Fractal)

It's a four card combo, I think it'll be fine.

My problem is how cheap it is. It will give you for one turn a damage equivalent to playing fractal on Obliterator, but with a 0 cost. You also need to consider that if there is already more than one copy of Obliterator in play this damage gets multiplied, meaning it probably doesn't matter that the damage is only for one turn.

You can for example make a 200HP OTK that requires only 7 cards, 10 :gravity, 22 :aether and 1 :rainbow :

Graviton Obliterator (upped), Unstoppable, Twin Universe x2, Dirk, Animate Weapon, Fractal. Your hand is know empty. Play all 8 Dirks in your hand and finish your turn. The net damage is 216 damage (with momentum) plus 8 from your remaining dirks.

If you allow to use an extra card and 3 :fire you can rage pot the obliterator before copying it to get 360 damage with momentum (more than 200HP + 6 SoDs).
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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1063308#msg1063308
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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1063310#msg1063310
« Reply #34 on: April 24, 2013, 04:00:29 am »
how is this useful and any strategics with le card?
i would rather use the gravity dragon which has 7/15!!! and doesnt need sacriface  ;D and costs 10.....

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Re: Graviton Obliterator | Graviton Obliterator https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=47347.msg1063313#msg1063313
« Reply #35 on: April 24, 2013, 04:17:57 am »
It doesn't only trigger when you sacrifice a permanent.  It also triggers when you destroy an opponent's permanent, when your opponent destroy's your permanent [anti-PC in a sense], or if, by some reason, your permanent is returned to your hand/deck from the field.

 

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