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Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg284433#msg284433
« on: March 06, 2011, 04:52:01 am »
NAME:
Vestige
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
4 :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 4
TEXT:
:time :time: Flashback
The next Non-Spell you
discard is instead played
immediately for free.
NAME:
Vestige
ELEMENT:
Aether
COST:
4 :aether
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
6 | 4
TEXT:
:time :time: Flashback
The next Non-Spell you
discard is instead played
immediately for free.
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NOTES:
What the card says :P
Non-Cumulative. (Only one activation of the ability is considered).
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Looking for possibly a better name.


Hey look, a normal time/aether duo.

(Flashback)

Hey look, a dragon! :P


I'm considering dropping the upped to 5 | 4.

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Re: Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg284438#msg284438
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2011, 04:57:44 am »
Would this put up a symbol (like Silence or Sanctuary) on your board, in order to indicate that it is in effect?

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Re: Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg284439#msg284439
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2011, 05:00:46 am »
That's interesting.  Opponent nightmares a Ruby Dragon or something else that costs an obscene amount into you hand.  You play Vestige and its effect.  You play Ruby Dragon for 2 :time.  Interesting effect.

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Re: Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg284451#msg284451
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2011, 05:19:57 am »
Would this put up a symbol (like Silence or Sanctuary) on your board, in order to indicate that it is in effect?
Yeah, since it's not based on turns, that would make sense.

It feels a touch OP atm, you guys think 3 :time would be better?

Re: Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg284462#msg284462
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2011, 06:11:53 am »
Not sure how I feel about it, at first I thought it seemed rather situational, considering it would work best in the beginning game, but then I rethought it and considered hourglasses and fractals... Might make a pretty strong duo :)

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Re: Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg285111#msg285111
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2011, 01:45:10 am »
What happens if you discard a targeting CC card?

This might result in more desynchs as well unless we change the way your turn ends - not sure about that though.


I think the cost is alright. 4 :aether then you wait a turn (it could get destroyed) and then you pay  2 :time...

This already requires a duo to pull off and its quite situational - though you could save up your cards in anticipation and play them for free. Lots of synergy with high cost Aether cards like Phase Dragon and easy to pull it off using fractal.

Hmm now that I think about fractal (sorry to bring up the "But fractal!!!" comment) this card could probably stand a higher cost.

If I play a vestige, wait a turn and then flashback I need only play fractal immediately thereafter on ANY creature - opponent or my own - and I can play 1 of those fractaled creatures for free. That is a little OP.

High cost seems better considering Fractal is in element with vestige...

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Re: Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg285114#msg285114
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2011, 01:48:37 am »
Mindgate fodder. With just :aether and :time you can immediately mirror any opponent's deck, spells aside.
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Re: Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg285118#msg285118
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2011, 01:53:15 am »
I love the idea, but why is it a creature rather than a permanent?
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Re: Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg285168#msg285168
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2011, 02:58:19 am »
What happens if you discard a targeting CC card?

This might result in more desynchs as well unless we change the way your turn ends - not sure about that though.


I think the cost is alright. 4 :aether then you wait a turn (it could get destroyed) and then you pay  2 :time...

This already requires a duo to pull off and its quite situational - though you could save up your cards in anticipation and play them for free. Lots of synergy with high cost Aether cards like Phase Dragon and easy to pull it off using fractal.

Hmm now that I think about fractal (sorry to bring up the "But fractal!!!" comment) this card could probably stand a higher cost.

If I play a vestige, wait a turn and then flashback I need only play fractal immediately thereafter on ANY creature - opponent or my own - and I can play 1 of those fractaled creatures for free. That is a little OP.

High cost seems better considering Fractal is in element with vestige...
Only Non-Spells can be flashed back. So no problems regarding high power spells.

The only concern is dragons, but even then the set up takes a while and you need to keep a lot of dead cards in your hand.

The synergy with fractal is intended. Even then, you need to save up a fair amount of quanta and it remains a complex combo. I don't think it's any more OP than Fractal, or Mitosis SoR.

I love the idea, but why is it a creature rather than a permanent?
Two main reasons:

A) To fit the niche for another Mid-Range attacker for Aether. (Aether is really in need of another creature.)
B) To use attack power to balance the playability. If I make it a permanent, then it will have to cost less from having no damage and I prefer this card to require a fair amount of set-up. Also, being a creature makes it more vulnerable.

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Re: Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg285171#msg285171
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2011, 02:59:40 am »
Is the synergy with Mindgate intended?
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Re: Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg285174#msg285174
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2011, 03:02:35 am »
Sure, why not?

I originally planned on this being mono-time somehow, but after considering what elements really need cards and it's inherent synergy with aether, I decided to make it duo.

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Re: Vestige | Vestige https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22406.msg285175#msg285175
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2011, 03:04:20 am »
I do like it, though. With just 4 :aether, with 2 :time per turn, I can mindgate the s*** outta people, and the only issue is spells.
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