Thief | Robber

[Xenocidius]

NAME: Thief ELEMENT: Darkness COST: 5 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 3 | 1 TEXT: Thief's ability can only be used if cloaked. : Steal Steal target permanent	NAME: Robber ELEMENT: Darkness COST: 5 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 5 | 1 TEXT: Robber's ability can only be used if cloaked. : Steal Steal target permanent

ART: Art from Elements the Game (edited by Xenocidius) IDEA: Xenocidius NOTES: Although a reusable Steal would normally be too powerful, I believe this balances it out, while simultaneously buffing Cloak. Loosely based on Dark Kraken (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,21004). SERIES:

[TheCrazyMango]

WAY OP imo, make the ability cost more expensive

[Xenocidius]

WAY OP imo, make the ability cost more expensive

You know, I was actually thinking that in my head: "Don't forget to make it expensive, don't forget to make it expensive". And what did I do? Grr.

[TheSpiritWolf]

Very nice. Maybe go upped atk/hp 4/4? 6/2 seems insta kill by aoe cards 4/4 has more survival
Make ability cost 2 
Maybe for upped version if you change ability to must have upped cloak maybe it could be a 3/6?

[Xenocidius]

Very nice. Maybe go upped atk/hp 4/4? 6/2 seems insta kill by aoe cards 4/4 has more survival
Make ability cost 2 
Maybe for upped version if you change ability to must have upped cloak maybe it could be a 3/6?

Yep, ability cost raised to 2 .

Unupped and upped versions of cards like Cloak, Steal, Deflagration, etc., where the mechanic is identical, cannot be differentiated by the game to my knowledge. The low HP is compensation for its powerful ability.

[TheSpiritWolf]

Very nice. Maybe go upped atk/hp 4/4? 6/2 seems insta kill by aoe cards 4/4 has more survival
Make ability cost 2 
Maybe for upped version if you change ability to must have upped cloak maybe it could be a 3/6?

Yep, ability cost raised to 2 .

Unupped and upped versions of cards like Cloak, Steal, Deflagration, etc., where the mechanic is identical, cannot be differentiated by the game to my knowledge. The low HP is compensation for its powerful ability.

ahh okay thats makes sence

[Nepycros]

Hmm... Compare it to Butterfly Effect. I can't offer more right now.

[Xenocidius]

Hmm... Compare it to Butterfly Effect. I can't offer more right now.

Butterfly effect is generally accepted to be quite UP.

Both require two-card combos and large amounts of their respective elements, so it seems balanced enough.

[gumbeh]

The other thing, though, is that BE adds a Destroy effect to an element that doesn't already have one. See also: Pulverizer. Fire only has one in-element way to destroy permanents, everything else requires a good chunk of or investment.

Imagine facing a tight 30 card monodark (or 35/70 card in the case of arena) with 6 steals and 6 thieves. You wouldn't be able to hang onto anything important unless you had PA.

The card design itself is fine, Darkness is a flavor/style match and I don't think the card is OP on its own. The trouble is when you combine it with more stealage. I'd try to find another element for it. Thieving Trickster Pixiepants ? Snatching Seagull ? I know this would require a significant rework of the card, but I honestly think that's the only way this would make it into the game.

[moomoose]

steal alone is powerful, steal on a stick, even if it is only while cloaked (which is easy to accomplish and cloak is useful in its own right) is too powerful, especially considering it would be easy to power this deck with pests. at 6 attack they are good offensive creatures as well as fantastic utility creatures.

i like the concept of something only being available while cloaked, but as is this is too extreme.  if it were a one-time use ability, it may be closed to being balanced.

[Xenocidius]

Imagine facing a tight 30 card monodark (or 35/70 card in the case of arena) with 6 steals and 6 thieves. You wouldn't be able to hang onto anything important unless you had PA.

You also need Cloak to make it work, and each Cloak only gives max 3 steals per Thief/Robber.

I considered making it another element, but I can't think of any others that fit thematically.

steal alone is powerful, steal on a stick, even if it is only while cloaked (which is easy to accomplish and cloak is useful in its own right) is too powerful, especially considering it would be easy to power this deck with pests. at 6 attack they are good offensive creatures as well as fantastic utility creatures.

i like the concept of something only being available while cloaked, but as is this is too extreme.  if it were a one-time use ability, it may be closed to being balanced.

7/10 for one use of Steal? Hmph ..

Well, has anyone got ideas for balancing?

/summons OldTrees

[Xenocidius]

Stats dropped to 3|1, 5|1. Counterable by any CC or PC.